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Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by satellite2 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:35PM (#31062576)
Journalism's single publication subscription business model is as absurd as ever.

I read hundreds of articles per week from dozens of journals from various backgrounds. I have three or four local newspapers I'm interested in, two or three in my mother tongue and dozens of international publications I like to read from. I tried subscribing to one of the local papers and it got boring pretty fast. I tried to subscribe to the Economist, but apart from two or three great articles per week I found them very dogmatic and I missed on all local events.

As long as there is not a serious Spotify like entrant journalism will keep dying.

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by TekMol on Sunday April 17, 2022 @02:23PM (#31062974)
I would prefer micropayments over an aggregator.

Pay $0.05 to read an article.

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by ghaff on Sunday April 17, 2022 @02:56PM (#31063250)
The traditional argument against this from Clay Shirky and probably others is [ADDED: mental] transaction costs. As soon as you're confronted with having to make a decision about whether the content behind a headline is worth paying for or not the mental calculus will often be "no."

The relative recent popularity of all-you-can-eat streaming of music and video vs. a la carte purchases would seem to support this view--although one could also argue that digital music and video purchases aren't really "micro."

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by 4dahalibut on Sunday April 17, 2022 @03:27PM (#31063559)
crypto solves this
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by 8note on Sunday April 17, 2022 @03:50PM (#31063815)
Something like brave solves it, by automatically paying without you deciding or not, hiding the cost in your electrical bill, or in higher prices at cafes.

But you can have automatic payments without crypto too. Hiding payments from the UX is what's actually solving the problem

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by ghaff on Sunday April 17, 2022 @03:52PM (#31063835)
It's "solving the problem" in the sense that it's spending your money without getting your explicit approval. That does make sense in some cases--my electrical, oil, and water bill basically work that way--but they're also pretty predictable and I probably couldn't realistically reduce them all that much even if I wanted to.

ADDED: That said, it's not unrealistic to imagine a "hidden" micropayments scheme that deducts automatically and lets you know and/or just turns off if you hit some monthly threshold.

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by jakopo87 on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:36AM (#31081804)
That's exactly how Brave works after you setup the wallet and it gives you two options:

- pay a variable amount to the website you visit, based on how many visits and time you spent on;

- pay a fixed amount to a website of your choice;

Both options can be enabled at the same time, and the minimum number of visit, or the minimum length of the same, is adjustable;

Flattr[0] should be similar with fiat currency.

[0] https://flattr.com/

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by nicbou on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:51PM (#31064392)
This might incentivise "below the fold" clickbait, or simply pretending that you have the answer to a query when you don't. It could also encourage splitting content and keep the user bouncing from article to article (when looking for a specific answer).
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by Markoff on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:29AM (#31072023)
that seem crazy expensive, so one article read by 10K paid readers earns media/author 500USD? can't imagine quality of article deserving 500 USD
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by lelandfe on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:38PM (#31062599)
Isn’t that precisely Apple News’ pitch?
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by ghaff on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:47PM (#31062675)
Apple News is just selected highlights from papers like the WSJ (i.e. those that have their own pricy subscriptions) though, no? I've thought of giving it a try.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by reaperducer on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:54PM (#31062732)
You describe Apple News. Apple News+ has all the articles.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by ghaff on Sunday April 17, 2022 @02:05PM (#31062841)
This is what I was going by: "Apple News editors select the most important, compelling articles and surface them in Top Stories, Spotlight, and other collections. These must-reads include everything from the latest headlines to in-depth coverage of the biggest stories of the year. An Apple News+ subscription unlocks even more premium articles and issues from the world’s best newspapers and magazines."

It makes it sound as if Apple News+ has more but not necessarily everything. In any case, I should probably give it a try.

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by reaperducer on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:56PM (#31064434)
I subscribe to Apple News+. I can't speak for the newspapers because I never looked at those, but the magazines are page-for-page reproductions of the print magazines, though some are enhanced with hyperlinks and usable tables of contents.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by notreallyserio on Sunday April 17, 2022 @05:53PM (#31064829)
Apple News is kind of garbage, unfortunately. Hidden sources still take up space which (in my case) makes the home screen an ugly mess.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by donohoe on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:44PM (#31062651)
There are services that emerge every few years but they all ultimately fail or get repurposed. The latest was Scroll (scroll.com) that was acquired by Twitter.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by nicbou on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:53PM (#31064409)
In Germany, we get access to top quality news and halfway decent media through the TV tax. It's 17.50€ or so per household.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by reaperducer on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:52PM (#31062715)
As long as there is not a serious Spotify like entrant journalism will keep dying.

Apple News+ has two dozen local newspapers, and hundreds of magazines from around the world for $10/month.

Browsing through random magazines was how I found out I have an interest in bird watching.

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by satellite2 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @02:23PM (#31062977)
They don't have non US local papers. But yes, in term of business model that's pretty much what I think would be convenient for the user.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by reaperducer on Sunday April 17, 2022 @07:19PM (#31065470)
They don't have non US local papers.

Today I learned that Toronto and Winnipeg are in the US.

Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by ProAm on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:59PM (#31062787)
It's just another walled garden.
Re:We’re taking down the paywall on qz.com by ghaff on Sunday April 17, 2022 @02:59PM (#31063286)
It's almost certainly unrealistic to expect every publication to participate in a single all-you-can-eat digital subscription scheme--though music comes pretty close.