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Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by DiabloD3 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @08:25AM (#31060373)
Somebody waited their entire career to write that headline.
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by dvh on Sunday April 17, 2022 @12:36PM (#31062083)
"Foot Heads Arms Body"

On 22 June 1978, The Guardian ran an article with the headline "Foot hits back on Nazi comparison". Reader David C. Allan of Edinburgh responded with a letter to the editor, which the paper ran on 27 June. Decrying the headline's apparent pun, Allen suggested that, if Foot were in future to be appointed Secretary of State for Defence, The Guardian might cover it under the headline "Foot Heads Arms Body". The belief later gained currency that The Times actually had run the headline. Some decades later, Martyn Cornell recalled the story as true, saying he had written the headline himself as a Times subeditor around 1986. The headline does not, however, appear in The Times Digital Archive, which includes every day's newspaper from 1785 into the 21st century.

Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by pcl on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:28PM (#31062527)
That reminds me of the classic "Headless Body in Topless Bar" headline: https://nypost.com/2015/06/09/new-york-post-editor-and-film-...
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by Animats on Sunday April 17, 2022 @12:27PM (#31062011)
Room temperature superconductivity reportedly appeared at 267 gigapascals, more than 2,400 times the pressure at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, the deepest point in the ocean.

That's a lot of pressure. That's like 40x the pressure needed to make diamonds.

Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by iancmceachern on Sunday April 17, 2022 @02:10PM (#31062879)
It's funny, this is like a how many engineers does it take joke.

The whole point in finding a room temperature super conductor is that it's difficult to maintain those low temperatures in practice. So if we want to put super conductors in practice, we need to figure out how to do it a different, more practical way. 40x the pressure needed to make diamonds doesn't seem practical. Maybe there is some material property magic like thermal quenching or tempering that could allow for a final product that has those kind of internal pressures in a steady state object.

You see this everywhere in the engineering world. I'm not saying this particular work will not lead somewhere, just that it is an example of a broader challenge I've seen in engineering, bridging the gap between practical every day use and research.

Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by s1artibartfast on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:54PM (#31064418)
I think you see it everywhere because you essentially described exploratory science vs engineering. First humans understand how the physical world behaves, then they see if that knowledge is usable.
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by jl2718 on Monday April 18, 2022 @12:22AM (#31067407)
Apparently we can get to 20GPa with strained silicon (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.1501382). Diamond can theoretically get to 225 GPa (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-13378-w). Maybe cubic boron nitride.
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by mrtnmcc on Sunday April 17, 2022 @12:03PM (#31061812)
May be relevant to theories about the Earth's core and magnetic field.
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by 8bitsrule on Sunday April 17, 2022 @06:44PM (#31065242)
Related: Physics 2019 article "A Prediction for “Hot” Superconductivity" [https://physics.aps.org/articles/v12/96] (followed by 9 citations)
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by nootropicat on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:14PM (#31062426)
While stable high temperature superconductors would usher in a scifi revolution alone, their critical magnetic field is also very interesting. Not an expert in the field, but from what I gather 200T would be enough for car sized proton-boron fusion power plants.
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by Trouble_007 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @10:14AM (#31060970)
High-Temperature Superconductors (high-Tc or HTS) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_superconducti...
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by Havoc on Sunday April 17, 2022 @06:51AM (#31059953)
To what end?

Surely room temp at atmosphere is the ultimate prize? Room temp has already been achieved so I would have thought lowest pressure is now the metric that matters

Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by xoa on Sunday April 17, 2022 @07:59AM (#31060268)
>Surely room temp at atmosphere is the ultimate prize?

First, the science and engineering is interesting regardless. Better understanding of superconductivity and how we can achieve it will be helpful in applying it anywhere. Second, while RT is clearly a huge deal hotter is always better if possible. It means it can be used with less cooling in more extreme environments which would further expand the possibilities in industry. Just as there has been effort to make (and you can buy) electronics that are functional in extreme environmental and high radiation conditions that would kill consumer kit.

Also, "achieved" is doing quite a bit of work in your second sentence. Other material properties, including as you say operating pressure but also more basic stuff like pure flexibility or strength are important in how it can be used in practice right? Research pushing other limits may pay off down the road in new ideas elsewhere. Obviously speculative, it may not, but it's well worth pursuing many avenues in such a potentially valuable area even if most are dead ends.

Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by Trouble_007 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:03PM (#31062333)
>To what end?< : Different Horses for different Courses

Liquid Nitrogen : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_nitrogen

Search: 'High Pressure Liquid Nitrogen Superconductors' @DDG : <https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q='High Pressure Liquid Nit...>

Railgun : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun

>A railgun is a linear motor device,

  typically designed as a weapon, that uses electromagnetic force to launch high velocity projectiles.<*
Pentagon to build nuclear micro-reactor to power far-flung-bases : https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2022/04/15/...

Scramjet : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramjet

Just a Thought.

Edit: Add; Russia-Ukraine Conflict Prompted US to Develop Autonomous Drone-Swarms And 1,000-Mile Cannon :

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/russia-ukraine-co...

- Edit:2 fixed @DDG search URL, truncated in first edit!

Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by ianai on Sunday April 17, 2022 @08:52AM (#31060499)
RT superconductivity has been discovered? When/where/what?
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by Panzer04 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @08:54AM (#31060510)
Likely referring to high-pressure room temperature superconductivity, which is about as practical as the low temperature versions (if not even less so)
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by Havoc on Sunday April 17, 2022 @09:02AM (#31060544)
>RT superconductivity has been discovered? When/where/what?

See first sentence of article we're commenting on

Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by derefr on Sunday April 17, 2022 @11:29AM (#31061500)
Inside fusion reactors? They’re pretty hot.
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by magicalhippo on Sunday April 17, 2022 @08:54AM (#31060508)
As I understand it, superconductors aren't quite as binary as the media portrays them as.

The temperature, current density and magnetic fields they can tolerate while remaining superconducting varies between the various kinds of superconductors.

Most interesting use-cases outside the lab would involve at least non-trivial current densities, so that's one metric where one might still want to search for a better material even though one already exists.

Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by willis936 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @09:38AM (#31060713)
LTS are pretty binary compared to HTS. Look at the resistance vs. temperature plots of different cables at a given current and magnetic field.

Additionally, quench propagation is much slower in HTS so safe current dumping has a lot more time between quench detection and thermal runaway.

https://youtu.be/xJ2h3vbOag4&t=21m58s

Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by magicalhippo on Sunday April 17, 2022 @11:22AM (#31061448)
Binary was a poor choice of words I guess.

My point was that if the current material only supports very low current densities at this high temperature, then that restricts the use-cases for it. I feel much of the popular science press makes it sound like all superconductors are equal, apart from the critical temperature.

Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by willis936 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @11:35AM (#31061542)
Ah, yes. If superconductors were actual magic and had infinite current and magnetic field capacities our society would look pretty different right now. :)
Re:Heated Debate Rises over Hints of Superconductivity Above... by nceasy on Sunday April 17, 2022 @08:50PM (#31066111)
can anyone point some article or describe (if and) how is machine learning helping scientists to find new superconductors with higher temperatures?