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Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by colechristensen on Thursday April 14, 2022 @12:32PM (#31029269)
> amaze (v.)

> "overwhelm or confound with sudden surprise or wonder," 1580s, back-formation from Middle English amased "stunned, dazed, bewildered," (late 14c.), earlier "stupefied, irrational, foolish" (c. 1200), from Old English amasod, from a- (1), probably used here as an intensive prefix, + *mæs (see maze). Related: Amazed; amazing.

"amazing" never meant "this is of surprisingly high quality and good"

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by fluster on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:03PM (#31029770)
Here's another dictionary (https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/amazing):

1. Causing great surprise or wonder; astonishing. 1.1 [informal] Startlingly impressive

Did pointedly ignoring common usage add anything here?

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by colechristensen on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:52PM (#31030577)
>Did pointedly ignoring common usage add anything here?

Yes, there are plenty of words going though the natural process of dilution. Providing some backpressure is, I think, useful to the language to preserve the richness of meaning. I'm responding directly to a discussion about the meaning of a word not interjecting into another conversation with a "well, actually..."

When you're writing a dictionary, words mean what people use them to mean. I'm not writing a dictionary.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by palmetieri2000 on Friday April 15, 2022 @05:35AM (#31038166)
Except that your 'well actually' still exists because you ignored the much more common usage when you made your point and didn't mention anything about your valiant effort to preserve etymological treasures until questioned?
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by heromal on Friday April 15, 2022 @06:46PM (#31046869)
Damn, get the body bag
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by ineedasername on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:16PM (#31030014)
It does, now. NLP sentiment classifiers assign it a positive rating with a very high confidence.

However it may still be use in some limited contexts, or historical contexts, its modern day usage is almost always with a positive connotation.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by colechristensen on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:58PM (#31030691)
If you read the Lord of the Rings, you'll see quite a few usages of the word "amaze" not at all in the sense of "dude, that's amazing". It is not like reading that is some archaic text exclusive to english scholars.

I think it is good to be reminded of the higher quality meaning of words that are falling into bland generic meanings. Words do change and there's nothing wrong with that, but some changes are better than others and the degeneration of specific strong meanings to generic common place ones isn't something that should be celebrated.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by ineedasername on Thursday April 14, 2022 @04:00PM (#31032493)
Celebrated or don't celebrate. Language evolves, meanings change, recognize it when it happens or you become the pedantic boring person at a meeting or party trying to explain, "No, 'begging the question' does mean what you think it does. It's a type of fallacy, not some segue into asking an obvious question.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by colechristensen on Thursday April 14, 2022 @04:15PM (#31032685)
I'm responding to somebody questioning another's definition of a word, not correcting someone for using a term wrong.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by ineedasername on Thursday April 14, 2022 @07:04PM (#31034575)
Then you misunderstand my point entirely. It's no longer wrong to use "beg the question" in this way. It is now part of everyday vernacular. It is now one of at least two correct ways of using the phrase. Language is weird that way, it's not set in stone, so if the "wrong" thing gets used enough and hits critical mass, it becomes a correct usage.

Look at the Great Vowel Shift, or how creoles, pidgins and patois develop and evolve. Language isn't static, and in the case of "amazing" its current vernacular usage has changed to almost always have a positive connotation.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by cwkoss on Thursday April 14, 2022 @02:18PM (#31031068)
Lol, you know an online debate is spicy when people start pulling out dictionary definitions
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by frumper on Thursday April 14, 2022 @07:58PM (#31035052)
I've been in some spicy meetings where people pull up definitions on their phone. Those were amazing.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by cwkoss on Thursday April 14, 2022 @08:14PM (#31035158)
Haha, do you remember what the word was?
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by frumper on Thursday April 14, 2022 @08:50PM (#31035441)
One was trying to decide whether to call the first version of something. Revision 0, revision 1, or version 1 followed by revision 1. The users that we were making the application for didn't care one bit what we called it, but the programmers sure had a lively discussion with a lot of eye rolling in the room.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by TMWNN on Thursday April 14, 2022 @02:33PM (#31031300)
To paraphrase Samuel Johnson, dictionary definitions are the last resort of someone flailing for an argument.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by nzp on Thursday April 14, 2022 @09:48PM (#31035812)
Not if the argument is essentially about dictionary definitions. FWIW, if I had to imagine someone saying something is amazing without any context my understanding would tend towards the “old” meaning.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by flycaliguy on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:24PM (#31030148)
Just wait until you see what we've done to awesome.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by UrsaMedius on Thursday April 14, 2022 @12:46PM (#31029500)
It means that today.
Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by colechristensen on Thursday April 14, 2022 @03:40PM (#31032257)
You say, in response to somebody using it to mean something else.

There is a strange circular logic to saying words mean something new because they are commonly used in a new way and at the same time telling somebody how they're using a word is wrong because it doesn't match this new meaning.

Re:Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private by robonerd on Thursday April 14, 2022 @06:02PM (#31033873)
Justifying a prescriptive attitude with descriptivist arguments is farcical.