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Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by cl42 on Thursday April 07, 2022 @10:48AM (#30945119)
The young man, who does not know the future, sees life as a kind of epic adventure, an Odyssey through strange seas and unknown islands, where he will test and prove his powers, and thereby discover his immortality.

The man of middle years, who has lived the future that he once dreamed, sees life as a tragedy; for he has learned that his power, however great, will not prevail against those forces of accident and nature to which he gives the names of gods, and has learned that he is mortal.

But the man of age, if he plays his assigned role properly, must see life as a comedy. For his triumphs and his failures merge, and one is no more the occasion for pride or shame than the other; and he is neither the hero who proves himself against those forces, nor the protagonist who is destroyed by them.

- John Williams in Augustus

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by moviewise on Thursday April 07, 2022 @04:08PM (#30949753)
> But the man of age, if he plays his assigned role properly, must see life as a comedy

I think this is the secret to living well. Find the humor, find the positives, be jolly even in difficult circumstances because life is short, so why not laugh as much as possible? https://moviewise.substack.com/p/facing-lifes-difficulties

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by narrator on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:14AM (#30945531)
We are very rarely the main character in the various stories that would get written about the time we are alive by an omniscient narrator. Most of our lives are much too boring to hold the reader's attention.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by balaji1 on Thursday April 07, 2022 @01:32PM (#30947716)
knowing this, should we do intentionally lift-and-coast? Get out of the rat-race?

Going to a medical test center in America is insightful. Old folks who drive alone to get tests they know the results to, to take prescription drugs they know don't work. Tax money and or insurance is supporting this right?

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by yial on Friday April 08, 2022 @09:06AM (#30956338)
What about making the choices you want each day - and doing the very best you can for yourself, and also those around you?

I don’t mean just monetarily. Doing the best you can ethically, morally, etc.

I realize some of that is subjective - but “don’t let perfect get in the way of good”.

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by Spivakov on Thursday April 07, 2022 @05:34PM (#30950611)
Second on John Williams quotes as his novels were my favorite.

I just want to mention that in Williams original narratives he is far from being sarcastic/playing wits or suggesting life meaninglessness. Instead, it is in the sense of indifference (neither positive nor negative).

If you plan to read his novels, I suggest reading both Stoner and Augustus and explore their interlacing

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by kafkaesque on Friday April 08, 2022 @12:36PM (#30959304)
This is similar to Soren Kierkegaard's stages of life theory, which he was fine-tuning 130 years earlier

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_S%C3%B8ren_Kierk...

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by 8bitsrule on Friday April 08, 2022 @06:24PM (#30963250)
Fatalism. Likely? that we're ants in an antfarm in which the course of every sand-grain, every ant, every molecule in the zephers is decided?

Observation destroyed that deist clockwork universe. There's no comedy in the catastrophic death of 100,000 people, in one man starving in the midst of plenty. We can do better, we can care for and feed and respect one another, as well as the worms. That's meaning we're empowered to create. Not for laughs but smiles. However humble, that is by far the more interesting experiment. And then when our moving finger moves on, no 'Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line.'

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by teamtestbot on Thursday April 07, 2022 @10:51AM (#30945175)
Man, I feel like I skipped those Middle Years and went straight to living my life one meme at a time after college.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by sillysaurusx on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:00AM (#30945324)
All of 4chan did. It seems optimal for most people.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by sjg007 on Friday April 08, 2022 @11:00AM (#30957846)
This is basically what Fox News does. Meme of the week or month.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by gunfighthacksaw on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:04AM (#30945379)
Reality does surprise me now and then by reifying a meme I laughed at a few years ago. Usually the physical manifestation is less funny than the original meme though.

I think it was all related to the 2016 US election which is when those 4chan chaos magicians joined forces to elect ‘orange Pepe bad’ to troll normies.

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by BolexNOLA on Thursday April 07, 2022 @08:45PM (#30952064)
Man what a funny prank that was. Truly hilarious.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by oonerspism on Friday April 08, 2022 @08:03AM (#30955885)
50 million tonnes of sarcasm pressing down upon this comment has produced a diamond.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by oonerspism on Saturday April 09, 2022 @03:13AM (#30965849)
-1 points? OK, I won't attempt good-natured humour here again... lesson learned. :/

Thanks a lot.

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by BolexNOLA on Monday April 11, 2022 @11:35AM (#30990236)
I wouldn’t take a few downvotes so personally. Just means a few people didn’t like it, it’s not a big deal.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by roci-ceres on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:10AM (#30945465)
how would one go about skipping directly to the thrid?
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by verisimilidude on Thursday April 07, 2022 @03:14PM (#30949096)
Serious personal tragedy can compress the middle phase into a very short period of time. Comedy is born where hope dies. Devastating disease or injury, a long jail sentence, a ruinous lawsuit, living through a war, etc. Most of the quick routes to lifelong wisdom are not desirable.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by xtracto on Thursday April 07, 2022 @05:50PM (#30950755)
For me it came not long ago (just starting my 40s): A film I was just watching had a great quote: "The universe isn't evil but it sure has a nasty sense of humour: I found the person I should am meant to be with, but I can't be with her"

Something vaguely similar happened to me: I suffered from a very strong cronic IBS-C for 20 years, since my University time. Around January 2022, I found a real cure for this 20 year long ailment (a very specific probiotic strain). I spent a couple of weeks really living amazingly, as I haven't lived in 20 years.

Then, on February I got the Astra Zeneca booster COVID vaccine, and as a result, I got long COVID symptoms and a stroke (Transient ischemic attack), and now I'm on aspirin for the rest of my life, and feeling like shit.

Aaah the universe has a nasty sense of humor indeed.

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by TurkishPoptart on Friday April 08, 2022 @12:04PM (#30958920)
I'm sorry to hear that. That's why I never got any "boosters" - there's no long-term safety data whatsoever.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by ajolly on Saturday April 09, 2022 @09:09PM (#30973603)
I'm curious to hear more about this probiotic?
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by hackerfromthefu on Sunday April 10, 2022 @06:12PM (#30982243)
Which probiotic helped you?
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by cl42 on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:22AM (#30945651)
Unfortunately, I don't think you can. I think each phase builds on the prior one; the life experience informing the emotions you feel.

The tragic phase is a result of not living up to the unrealistic expectations one has, and the comedic phase is a result of dealing with those tragic emotions.

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by Sevii on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:41AM (#30945986)
You can't skip to wisdom.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by nradov on Thursday April 07, 2022 @02:20PM (#30948379)
Sure you can. Learn from people wiser than yourself. A lot of them have written books.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by robbedpeter on Thursday April 07, 2022 @03:01PM (#30948918)
And there's always Tony Robbins, Jordan Peterson, and a wealth of other self-help types. Picking any system is better than nothing, and gives you context for selecting good ones once you're familiar. Coast on other people's wisdom until you earn your own.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by dgfitz on Thursday April 07, 2022 @03:15PM (#30949101)
I would hesitate to endorse Robbins. He’s had a litany of sexual abuse claims against him, among other legal problems
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by shard on Thursday April 07, 2022 @04:31PM (#30949967)
I despair at the modern trope of dismissing something of worth due to a person's thoughts/actions in an unrelated area (in modern parlance, "cancelling" someone). It seems like an ad hominem attack to me. How will this trend evolve in the future? Will the works of people like Beethoven, da Vinci, Einstein be cancelled due to them being meat eaters? (Substitute someone of equal stature if the people listed are actually vegetarians)
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by solveit on Thursday April 07, 2022 @05:47PM (#30950734)
Life wisdom would seem to be an area where you should be wary of following advice from serial sex abusers... (I know nothing of Robbins, I just wanted to discuss the general heuristic).
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by dgfitz on Friday April 08, 2022 @09:21AM (#30956471)
I would encourage you to read at least the Wikipedia page of Robbins. I’m no fan of cancel culture either, but he doesn’t seem like a good person or someone I’d take advice from.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by Chris2048 on Friday April 08, 2022 @05:31AM (#30955020)
> in an unrelated area

But what his area? If it's living a successful, balanced life like himself, then his person problems are relevant to his self-help franchise.

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by Apocryphon on Friday April 08, 2022 @02:28AM (#30953921)
Now that’s moral relativism gone amuck.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by basq on Friday April 08, 2022 @01:53AM (#30953740)
true words spoken by a false man, makes them false.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by hattori31 on Friday April 08, 2022 @11:04PM (#30964938)
If a part of person is false, doesnt mean everything is false. If you cheat on your wife doesn't mean you never loved her. Mistakes are part of being human.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by robbedpeter on Friday April 08, 2022 @10:38AM (#30957396)
Well, no. That's what thinking is for. To separate words from their source and consider them for their content. A reading of Principia Mathematica by Hitler doesn't tarnish or invalidate the words in any way. Context matters.

Basing judgment on the source of an idea isn't a perfect tool for navigating life. If someone is telling you lots of true things but in a way to compromise you, or to sell you something, or to get you to join a cult, then who that person is provides valuable context.

If you want a system, Peterson has a ready-made and inoffensive set of rules to play off of. It has a built in technique to improve on the rules that doesn't compromise your ability to think about new material (whereas scientology or other religious systems cripple you deliberately.) Identifying a collection of true things is the point, and then looking for good faith operators willing to share their model of successful behavior.

Robbins is a typical self help guy, and the value is there, but to me it's been most useful as a baseline against which to measure other systems. Robbins represents the line of hucksterism for me, where if you're playing with those ideas and presentation techniques you might not be legitimate. I think he's mostly just over that line on the side of authentic, but he often falls short.

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by basq on Thursday April 14, 2022 @04:08AM (#31024431)
Peterson is a disheveled, drug addicted, religious nut. He doesn't have anything to teach anyone.

Robbins is a sex predator.

Not role models, not teachers.

Poison the milk, poison the ghee.

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by philosopher1234 on Thursday April 07, 2022 @12:38PM (#30946881)
Why would you want to skip? To prove your power :)? A bit of irony
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by kirsebaer on Thursday April 07, 2022 @02:19PM (#30948371)
You can experience heroic drama, tragedy, and comedy all at the same time or all within the same day. Just look for them as they happen. Or think back to what you did yesterday and interpret what you did from the perspective of each of these stages.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by theguru2323 on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:37AM (#30945928)
Maybe you are closer to it than you realise. I don't think there are age limits to any of this stuff. A decade of life for one man, is but a Tuesday of another.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by needlefish on Friday April 08, 2022 @07:35AM (#30955698)
IMO it would be something like not trying to skip anything. Really internalizing and enjoying the folly of youth as it happens.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by maxFlow on Thursday April 07, 2022 @02:05PM (#30948172)
Should you? Can you?

Ah, the sudden school vs the gradual school. The debate lingers (see siblings).

Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by mathematicaster on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:13AM (#30945504)
Just do it (tm).
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by oh_sigh on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:59AM (#30946298)
Skipping directly just makes you a clown.
Re:I thought I’d have accomplished a lot more today and also... by volume on Thursday April 07, 2022 @05:26PM (#30950528)
in poker tournaments the winner (and all the other loser) can't win (lose) without the collective choices of all other opponents.