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Re:The Influence of Neuromancer on Cyberpunk by jvanderbot on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @04:57PM (#30924925)
The commentary I've read (and agree with), is that the metaverse itself just didn't hold up.

The internet did not become a new reality. Instead, our own reality is melding with the internet through always-on devices and miniaturized sensors and wide wireless networks.

Instead of some kind of digital lovecraftian portals hidden away in parts of realspace that connect to this magical deadly realm, the modern vision of cyperbpunk should probably have included something more like an ethereal plane -- a perfect mirror of the real world that happens to ignore its physical constraints and provide ways to manipulate and bypass the realspace.

Re:The Influence of Neuromancer on Cyberpunk by bpiche on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:32PM (#30925947)
Wasn't it Gibson himself who wrote this, right in the beginning of Zero History if I'm not mistaken, when Cayce is meeting with some French artist in a warehouse in the outskirts of Oakland? The artist is making an augmented reality installation of a cyber whale that you can see in real life with mirrorshades.

And then the artist says 'the internet is e-ver-ting'.

Re:The Influence of Neuromancer on Cyberpunk by gnabgib on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:37PM (#30926976)
Hollis met a Canadian artist (Chombo) in Hollywood that made a giant squid (Architeuthis) that could be seen with a visor rig... in Spook Country. They love and discuss the internet plenty.. since none of this matches what you remember, perhaps it's a reoccurring theme.
Re:The Influence of Neuromancer on Cyberpunk by bpiche on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:07PM (#30934800)
Memory bit rot, I'll have to re read the trilogy now..

Chombo says "Somebody told me that cyberspace was 'everting'. That was how she put it." (Spook Country, pp. 64). Feel like the girl he is referring to may be the one I'm thinking of. Must be Pattern Recognition.

Thanks :)

Re:The Influence of Neuromancer on Cyberpunk by jvanderbot on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:22PM (#30934068)
Nice! I had a break in the connection and couldn't place the commentary. I'll go back and revisit that.
Re:The Influence of Neuromancer on Cyberpunk by ant_li0n on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:04PM (#30925656)
I love Gibson but prefer the Bridge Trilogy over the Sprawl Trilogy. It's a lot closer to what you're describing, and the characters are way more interesting. Characters in the Sprawl seem so two-dimensional to me.
Re:The Influence of Neuromancer on Cyberpunk by bpiche on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:38PM (#30926007)
The Bridge trilogy is fantastic but as a fun counterpoint I respectfully refer to you the two deuteragonists of the _first book_, Berry Rydell is a huge meathead and Chevette Washington has less depth than Snow Crash's Y.T., to me, which is saying something.

The data analyst guy who ends up obsessing over the VR idol and ends up in a cardboard box in the Tokyo subway is super super interesting. Probably my favorite part of the whole trilogy. If I am not mistaken, Gibson actually took a lot of inspiration for that character from his own experiences with photography. The ability to intuitively line up the right F-stop, shutter speed, and film speed with a scene and natural light in a second is the inspiration for the way the analyst intuitively senses 'nodes' in a social network.

And I personally think that it is this notion that led the author to write about causality in the Peripheral-Agency series.