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Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by riffic on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:02PM (#30914033)
the project doesn't use 'toot' anymore and this is like the most trivial concern to have with a piece of software.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by Nextgrid on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:11PM (#30914096)
Frankly, even besides "toot", Mastodon isn't a particularly appealing name either.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by riffic on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:17PM (#30914145)
Why is it, without fail, there's always someone in an HN thread making complaints about the name of something they have absolutely no involvement in?

I come here just for the bikeshedding to be honest.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by Nextgrid on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:37PM (#30914289)
Maybe consider this as constructive criticism? I'm sure a lot of people here are fed up with the existing social media platforms and would want something like Mastodon to succeed, but there's no way it will succeed if it shoots itself in the foot from the beginning with terrible branding.

Until Mastodon (or others) can seamlessly interoperate with existing social networks, they have to gain mass adoption to become useful, which means catering to what the masses think is appealing even if you don't particularly agree with that determination.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by riffic on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:39PM (#30914308)
I don't have any personal involvement with Mastodon either, I just think it's a cool piece of software and I'm cranky enough to point out a tired trope I see day-in-day-out on this site (name complaints).
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by Nextgrid on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:41PM (#30914326)
Oh absolutely, I agree that it's very cool at a technical level. But I don't believe it's going to succeed at its mission with the current branding.

It is of course open-source software and they don't have to do anything if they're happy with the status-quo, but imagine how better if would be if you had something with the branding & adoption of Twitter and the features & benefits of Mastodon?

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by riffic on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:45PM (#30914353)
Mastodon is pushing releases out the door at a pace I'm happy with - they're at version 3.5 so far since its initial launch of 2016 or so. I'd consider that (and the sustainability of the project) a success. A lot of project maintainers burn out after an amount of time or stall out completely so this is an indicator there's something more here and it's healthy.

I'm not quite sure I agree with the point you're getting at concerning branding and mass adoption.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by com on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:28AM (#30915889)
That’s a good point, about seamless interop with existing social networks.

The EU Digital Markets Act looks like it’s designed to force some messaging interop, and it’s regulation-driven, so it can be refreshed a little more dynamically than most legislation.

Crossing fingers for some movement on the interop front!

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by IYasha on Sunday April 10, 2022 @03:42AM (#30975165)
FOSS projects never fail to surprise me in their creativity of making weird, unintuitive, terrible names. Just install the damn Linux, list all packages and try guessing what's for what. Even worse than forced codenames in place of distribution versions in digits.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by orblivion on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @10:27AM (#30919428)
If you ran a company, wouldn't you find it valuable what people reacted to your branding? If you want your FOSS project to succeed you probably similarly would or at least should be interested.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by orblivion on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:37PM (#30914293)
I actually think it's pretty bad-ass. Uncharacteristic of FOSS. A bit clunky sounding, but that makes it feel all the less corporate to me.

But maybe it's just me. Or maybe it's why it's as successful as it is.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by chefandy on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:44PM (#30953123)
If your target audience is only FOSS fans, great. Even a FOSS fans like to socialize with other people and that’s kind of important when you’re choosing a vibe/look/feel for a social network.

FOSSy vs corporate is a false dichotomy. The FOSSy “don’t you dare criticize my logo… I spent a weekend learning Gimp to make it… and yes the G stands for Gnu” aesthetic says “tech-savvy only”. It is off-putting for many, and FAR MORE EXCLUSIVE than any sane corporate design, save luxury brands. It doesn’t signify the lack of an in-club— it is an in-club.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by brimble on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:24PM (#30914195)
I think that's a bigger problem, though maybe still not a grave one. I wouldn't be surprised if a very high percentage of people write "mastAdon", without autocorrect to save them.

We're also all missing the bigger problem here, which is that "mast" is rooted in the word for "breast". ( /s for the concern, but it in fact is)

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by 10729287 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @07:29AM (#30917650)
It is, for a metal band.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by aeldidi on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:01PM (#30914485)
It definitely seems like they do: https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/posting/
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by ashtonkem on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:07PM (#30914064)
Wording and branding is not a trivial concern if mass adoption is a goal.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by riffic on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:21PM (#30914171)
I don't think it's a goal (it's not mine as a user), but I'm sure you can ask Mastodon gGmbH for their OKRs when it's funding time.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by Tao331 on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:11PM (#30914558)
When has mass adoption of a social networking platform ever worked out well for users?
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by chefandy on Thursday April 07, 2022 @11:45PM (#30953131)
When has lacking it worked out well for social networks?
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by jazzyjackson on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:49PM (#30914377)
software, sure, name your variables what ever you want, but this is a social network

I still hear toot used to distinguish from tweets, is there a new word suggested? The wikipedia on Mastadon states, 'Posts are called "toots" instead of "tweets", as is the case on Twitter' based on a 2017 article from the Verge so maybe someone should update it.

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Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by mulmen on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:42PM (#30914333)
This is ostensibly a (tech!) startup incubator forum. So it’s a lot of extraordinarily technical and business-savvy people.

It doesn’t take much experience with marketing to cringe at the idea of branding a post a “toot”.

Frankly that decision turned me off to the whole project because it casts doubt on all their other decisions. I’m glad they moved away from it but that definitely harmed adoption.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by jerojero on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:31PM (#30914253)
Only half of the world is stupid, everyone else is pretty much above average intelligence.

I think most people are not really aware of mastodon at all, I'm not sure how much of the problem has to do with the tooting and how much has to do with simply mastodon not having done any marketing whatsoever. Though I hear its popular in Japan?

Not only that but federation does have a higher barrier of entry, in twitter you go into their website and in a few clicks later you can fully experience the website. Mastodon, last time I checked was not so easy. Even a few extra clicks, a few extra decisions make it difficult to onboard people.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by function_seven on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:39PM (#30914309)
> Only half of the world is stupid, everyone else is pretty much above average intelligence

I'm not going to get into a median vs. mean debate here. As far as IQ—or whatever metric you use—goes, I wouldn't be surprised if those 2 numbers were nearly the same.

But what if 80% of us is stupid? Everyone with below-average intelligence, and more than half of us with above-average intelligence? Could be that "Not Stupid" doesn't begin until IQ 110, or 115.

I'd toot it, but that sounds lame.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by jerojero on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:21AM (#30928754)
It's just a joke :)

I would rarely use mean to discuss societal distributions as they can be very misleading (good example of this is when you want to see average versus median income in unequal countries). Though I think IQ is bell-shaped so mean and median coincide or are close.

Thing is, I would never be brave enough to say "80% of us are stupid". People can be smart in many different ways, I know people who are not very good at numbers but are extremely good at picking up languages; isn't that an amazing ability? Funny people, good musicians, creative people... I just really don't like IQ as a metric of intelligence so to me it really falls flat when applied to the real world.

Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by jongold on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:52PM (#30914406)
this is the worst HN comment I've read in over a decade on this website, and holyshit have I read a lot of bad comments here
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by cbozeman on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:01PM (#30914484)
I'm honored.
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by wallfacer120 on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:57PM (#30914441)
How is Mastadon beyond the control of its sponsor corporation or the government?
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by robjan on Monday April 04, 2022 @11:13PM (#30914925)
It's open source and can be forked by anyone
Re:Mastodon: A free, open-source, and decentralized Twitter ... by Jcowell on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:33PM (#30921137)
This alone does not mean it’s not beholden to governments.