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Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by moffkalast on Monday April 04, 2022 @07:55PM (#30913528)
Remind me to never buy a laptop without a healthy array of dedicated external ports. This is lunacy.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by theshrike79 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:36AM (#30915940)
I swap between three different computers. Everything is attached to the same dock.

I just need to swap the USB-C connector between the three and I get the same displays and peripherals.

Doing this with a "healthy array of external ports" would be a huge pain in the ass.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by seszett on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @03:10AM (#30916149)
You could do it the same if you had an array of ports (as long as one of them is USB-C). You would just also have the possibility to use the other ports without a hub.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by moffkalast on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:07AM (#30917152)
This guy gets it, more is always better.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by TacticalCoder on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:03PM (#30913592)
Yup when you see both the price and the size of these docks, you gotta wonder why even bother with buying a laptop in the first place. If the goal is to hook up two 4K monitors, I'd rather have, say, a desktop computer powered by a threadripper.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by dspillett on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:53PM (#30913952)
> why even bother with buying a laptop in the first place. If the goal is to hook up two 4K monitors

That might not be a full-time goal. Some want a machine that works on the move but can be expanded to bigger screens and such when at certain locations (office and/or home). A laptop and dock allow this compromise.

It is a compromise, not one suitable for all. But it is the list inconvenient option for many.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by sho on Monday April 04, 2022 @11:18PM (#30914947)
> Some want a machine that works on the move but can be expanded to bigger screens and such when at certain locations

I wouldn't say "some". Probably 90% of developers I know require exactly this, in fact off the top of my head I can't think of any who don't. Even the permanent, full-remote, no-really-there-is-literally-no-office types want to sit in a different room sometimes or work from a coffee shop.

It's pretty rare to have a "workstation" setup that cannot be moved.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by moffkalast on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:01AM (#30917121)
I guess I'm one of those devs that you can't think of then. Main rig for remote work at home, laptop for the occasional trip to the lab. Honestly I can't imagine using a laptop for anything too demanding, the shitty thermals make me cringe.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by katbyte on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:49AM (#30916027)
Personally I like having a laptop for on the go and a desktop that’s always in one place and use syncing to make it pretty seemless to switch between them.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by d1sxeyes on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @03:08AM (#30916139)
That's a good solution, but it comes with its own set of compromises. I think the argument here really is:

'... where we came in. Having to buy an external dock is such a compromise! I want to have all the ports on my laptop!'

'But if all your peripherals are connected directly, you need to connect and disconnect them every time, so you have to compromise on mobility. Isn't this...'

And different variations on this same spiral.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by seanp2k2 on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:25PM (#30913761)
Yeah, the thing too about desktop vs laptop is not just core count but TDP. An Intel 12900K on an OC can draw like 400W ( https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-12900k-overclocked-to-5-3... ) vs a laptop that will get you a max of like 115w for turbo (<10 seconds at a time) and 45w under normal circumstances ( https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/132215/... ).

And good luck getting anything close to RTX 3090Ti performance in a laptop. It'd basically be a toasted oven on your lap.

Desktops can just sink a ton more heat, and as process shrinks and die size increases have gotten us less and less additional performance each year, we're just pushing power up to the point now where a TOTL gaming desktop is pulling close to 1KW. A laptop will never come close. If you really do want to try a literal desktop CPU in a laptop, there are mfgs like Eurocom and Sager that will sell you one, just don't expect it not to throttle a lot under actual heavy workloads.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by roywashere on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:48AM (#30915668)
To be honest I see this as a win for laptops nowadays. I still work from home most days of the week and I prefer not to have a power hungry workstation turned on all day, especially with current electricity prices. Because of unfortunate timing of when my contract expired I already pay around 800 euros per month for energy
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by gambiting on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @03:34AM (#30916274)
>>Because of unfortunate timing of when my contract expired I already pay around 800 euros per month for energy

Wait, what? Are you like cryptomining or something? That's actually insane. I charge two electric cars at home, work from home using a powerful workstation, and my electricity is about £100/month. How do you manage to spend 800 euro a month????

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by roywashere on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @05:18AM (#30916890)
No I am not crypto mining. Please mind I said 'energy', it includes gas. Electric is about 175 euros
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by maccard on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @05:44AM (#30917033)
Curious where you are? I run a threadripper workstation with a 3070Ti and 2x 1440p monitors for ~10 hours per day, and my household's electricity bill is ~£40/month.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by fastball on Monday April 04, 2022 @11:23PM (#30914977)
Presumably people have a dedicated workstation that they use most of the time, but not infrequently want to have a portable computer that they can take places (cafes/trips/transport/co-working spaces/etc).

I find it surprising that the appeal of the above would be confusing for anyone.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by dragonwriter on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:59PM (#30914011)
Well, I mean, 2 4k monitors is possible on a laptop in laptop configuration these days (4k internal + 4k add-on attached slide-out), so I don't see why it's an unreasonable thing to have where you dock a laptop.

Sure, you could buy a separate desktop for that, but if you also go portable, don't want to bother with some kind of online sync solution, and want to move between laptop mode for on the go and something docked to big monitors and a no laptop keyboard/mouse for when you are at your primary workspace, getting a good laptop plus a dock rather than spending more for a laptop plus a separate desktop which makes you have to compromise on syncing somehow makes a lot of sense.

(Obviously, if you need desktop processing power, thermal envelopes mean that laptops aren't going to be competitive. But if that's your need, you aren't going to be looking at laptops, and how to connect peripherals isn't going to be your limiting factor.)

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by michaelgrafl on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @04:36AM (#30916619)
I have multiple desks. Each of them has their own docking station.

The only things that move around are my laptop and I. I don't want to carry around a desktop computer and plug in power, screens, and USB hub every time I switch desks.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by XorNot on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:38PM (#30914297)
Yes, but companies keep wanting me to use the corporate laptop, not my much more capable desktop on a dedicated drive. So technically a good dock is not a bad investment in that scenario since you aren't paying for the laptop.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by binkHN on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:09AM (#30915201)
Because of the crazy pricing of CPUs nowadays, I'm still going old school with a slightly older ThinkPad and a ThinkPad docking station that decidedly does not connect via USB and uses a proprietary port underneath the laptop. For the most part, everything works well and has been doing so for years.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by jfb on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:34PM (#30913829)
I get around this by using a desktop computer. I appreciate without wanting the engineering that goes into modern laptops; but they're solving for a problem that I just don't have.

USB remains, of course, a donkey circus. Everyone involved in USB ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by gumby on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:09PM (#30914541)
I'm not denying your application need, but I only plug in power and sometimes an external monitor. I don't think I've plugged anything else into my computer in years.

So it might be lunacy for you but it's not necessarily lunacy for others. And given the amount of market research these guys do I suspect the "never plug anything else in" crowd is pretty significant.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by SOLAR_FIELDS on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:16PM (#30914589)
I’m with you on this. I’m a FAANG software engineer who does hardware stuff too and I have a 2020 MacBook Air with 2 (two!) USB-C ports. One for charging, one for other stuff. In my two years of owning the device I have not once ever been frustrated needing the third port. I do quite often use both of the two ports, but even needing three seems to never happen in my use case.

I don’t use external monitors with that device which probably makes a difference but IMO the point still stands - I think there is a silent majority of people who don’t want or care about more ports.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by moffkalast on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:15AM (#30917201)
You seriously never needed to plug in a plain common USB-A flash drive or any other peripheral? Or flash an sd card or anything of the sort? Interesting.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by gumby on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:29AM (#30918136)
Nope. I pass data around over the network, either via cloud or P2P. If I plug into an external display I use BT kbd/trackpad. And I do have a waterproof/shockproof camera with an SD card but I don’t use it every day, or even every week; I use my phone.

Flash drive? Hardly ever used one; networking existed before they were invented.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by SOLAR_FIELDS on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @10:38PM (#30927877)
Yes, but so rarely does that use case actually happen. It has been fine with a dongle and not ever been a space issue. I carry a USB-C to A dongle with me at all times wherever my laptop goes. It basically lives with the laptop. Works just fine for every use case I have and it’s often the thing taking up my second slot. A bit annoying, but a fact of life. All SD card stuff happens on my desktop - anytime I need an SD card to connect to a computer I’m always at home - I’ve never once had that requirement on the go. External keyboards just don’t get used at all - I paid a bunch of money for a nice keyboard built into my portable machine, in fact one of the reasons I purchased the 2020 MacBook Air was because they got rid of the butterfly keyboard - so I don’t really use external peripherals with it.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by justsomehnguy on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:21AM (#30917237)
Or just an external keyboard...

I'm using a BT mouse explicitly not to bother with a stupid "2.4GHz USB Receiver" and keep one (USB-A!) port free.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by weq on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:19AM (#30915261)
Im a non-FAANG developer so i cant comment on what all the sheep/ad devs are doing;

but I can comment on what a polygot cross-platform cross-cloud software engineer who supports a plethora of native portable devices integrations require, and thats USB hubs with ports coming out the ye-ha - otherwise im constantly playing musical chairs.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by gumby on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @10:24AM (#30919377)
I commented that I didn’t have a need a lot of ports with my use case and you commented that you did with yours. Good HN discussion.

But why did you have to begin your comment with the condescending “all the sheep/ad devs”? It makes you look insecure and I only read beyond that because your comment was so brief.

There are machines with lots of ports and machines with few and someone’s choice of which to use is not a moral judgement.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by mechanical_bear on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @11:08AM (#30919992)
I’m not a FAANG dev either, but no need to disparage them. That seems inappropriate and mean spirited.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by Dylan16807 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:30AM (#30915904)
The thing about a plain old USB hub is that it only costs $20-30.

It's a nice way to avoid the lunacy here.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by michaelgrafl on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @04:33AM (#30916594)
My laptop has enough ports. But I don't want to plug them all out and in again when taking it from one desk to another one.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by moffkalast on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:13AM (#30917189)
This thread is making me think there is some breed of programmer out there that has 8 work desks in their house and switches between them sequentially every 5 minutes.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by michaelgrafl on Thursday April 14, 2022 @03:03AM (#31024129)
You don't need 8 desks to switch every 5 minutes.
Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by tokamak-teapot on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @04:00AM (#30916410)
MacBook Air with two USB-C ports:

One for USB-C to Ethernet adapter.

One for Apple adapter that I plug USB-C power into, plus HDMI, plus a mouse.

Always works. Though it can’t prevent me forgetting to plug the Ethernet adapter in and realising I’ve been on wifi all day.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by Xenixo on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:08AM (#30917161)
I love my USBc with hub setup.

Sure this is relatively new and a ton of hubs are shit but this will only become better.

I can use my Anker mini dock on my laptop, switch and Samsung s22.

Re:USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021) by ubermonkey on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @09:41AM (#30918856)
It's weird how people want to plug lots of things in at home, but not very many when traveling, isn't it?