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Re:Killed by Microsoft by mnd999 on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:26PM (#30823224)
Teams is unbelievably shit though. It’s like they don’t even care.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by zapnuk on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:54PM (#30823478)
Yes! Teams is by far the worst "popular" software i've ever used.

It's so bad that eventhough most businesses depend on teams, they, as well as everyone else, would be better off if teams suddenly disappears from one day to another.

edit: Just a few things that annoy me basically on a daily basis:

- The status isn't always up to date. Sometimes it takes minutes to you or your contacts to show the correct status.

- It is (unsupprisingly) not very responsive

- It hogs my CPU when its idle and especially during video calls. So much so that the fans of my 2020 MBP start spinning up - which otherwise only happens when I run a build/tests. This is especcially bad considering all other video call software (zoom, discord) run just fine.

- The UX is terrible when you are active in different organizations. It's riddled with bugs. Every time I switch organizations I have to type in my password twice because for some reason the login session expires instantaniously. If I switch back an forth sometimes some functionality like shring screen or accepting calls just stops working and I have to restart teams.

- It tries to include the formatting if you copy+paste in chat. It always looks bad and sometime is ittetating because the font size is way smaller.

- Cameras or shared desktops regularily freeze

- You cant set the audio level of individual participants. This is especiallly annoying if you're in the same room as other participants of larger meetings since you'd then head them twice.

- Because of the messy permission system between multiple organizations it's often not clear wether or not you can certain contacts of are allowed to use the chat in meetings.

Re:Killed by Microsoft by _dqna on Sunday March 27, 2022 @07:31PM (#30825233)
- Notifications will continue to trigger for chat threads of meetings I’m no longer a part of, for teams I’m no longer in.

- I can’t create bullet points and numbered lists because breaklines will frequently send the message instead of continuing the list.

- You’ve already mentioned this, but the ability to change volume for individual speakers should be considerer core functionality. I’d rather use Discord for office work than Teams for this reason alone.

What’s weird to me is that Teams, for me at least, was a good product about 3 or 4 years ago. Definitely more stable back then; I had fewer complaints.

Re:Killed by Microsoft by pfundstein on Sunday March 27, 2022 @08:32PM (#30825644)
- The search is garbage, and if you are actually able to find what you're looking for, you still can't get the contextual messages around your result.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by bastardoperator on Sunday March 27, 2022 @06:38PM (#30824863)
The login experience is the worst of any app I've used. Stop asking me every day to login, and god help you if you're in multiple orgs. I pretty much do the web app at this point. Thankfully my org mostly uses zoom and slack, but customers on teams refuse to experience normalcy and demand everyone experience their pain, same with webex, come on people...
Re:Killed by Microsoft by rob74 on Monday March 28, 2022 @12:53AM (#30827267)
Well, at least with Teams you can use the web app, for Zoom has to be installed, and at least under Linux it's a complete train-wreck. Incidentally, I have the issue with 100% CPU usage during video calls with Zoom, while Teams (in the browser) works just fine.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by dagw on Monday March 28, 2022 @03:34AM (#30828070)
Zoom has to be installed

Is that a recent change? Up until a few month ago I worked at a company that banned the Zoom client for "security reasons" and had to use Zoom on the web for all my Zoom meetings and it never was a problem.

Re:Killed by Microsoft by mnd999 on Monday March 28, 2022 @02:47AM (#30827804)
Zoom can run in the browser.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by rob74 on Monday March 28, 2022 @03:56AM (#30828227)
AFAIK, Zoom can "run in the browser" in the sense that when you click a Zoom link it prompts you to install a "Zoom Launcher plugin" which is for all intents and purposes a binary application that you install locally. I wouldn't call that "running in the browser". Or has something changed recently?
Re:Killed by Microsoft by mnd999 on Monday March 28, 2022 @06:12AM (#30828982)
Pretty sure it’s always been the case it can run as WebRTC in the browser. They make it hard to find, but if you reject all their crapware there is a link to just continue in the browser and join a zoom.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by fomine3 on Sunday March 27, 2022 @09:40PM (#30826113)
Select text and Ctrl+C without release mouse button always make me rage. It copies entire message rather than selected text. I've never seen this behavior on windows apps.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by spaetzleesser on Sunday March 27, 2022 @09:30PM (#30826067)
The search is just horrible. also: how can you ship a Wiki feature that's not searchable? That's the whole point of a wiki.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by WithinReason on Monday March 28, 2022 @06:04AM (#30828950)
> - It tries to include the formatting if you copy+paste in chat. It always looks bad and sometime is ittetating because the font size is way smaller.

Try pasting with Ctrl-Shift-V instead of Ctrl-V

Re:Killed by Microsoft by encryptluks2 on Sunday March 27, 2022 @11:15PM (#30826757)
Best way to resolve issues like this is stop working for companies like this. They are toxic.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by rr808 on Sunday March 27, 2022 @05:56PM (#30824560)
Still better than Skype though.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by dvhh on Sunday March 27, 2022 @11:20PM (#30826791)
I prefer the somewhat focused approach of skype, rather than the multi-channel type kitchen sink used by teams.

To communicate you've got "Chat" then "Teams", On "Chat" you can reply to one message, and on "Teams" you can post on the Threads to reply.

On the UX side, at one point I experienced bad memory leak if GPU acceleration was enabled, The shortcut for starting the voice call is the same as the "paste only the text" shortcut in other application (causing more than one department wide voice conference started by accident)

Re:Killed by Microsoft by syshum on Sunday March 27, 2022 @07:11PM (#30825114)
There is a litany of complaints I have with Teams...

However Teams has no more or less QA and other problems than ever other MS product I use... I dont know if that is good or bad but ......

Re:Killed by Microsoft by Keyframe on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:45PM (#30823390)
Chat/teams itself yeah, compared to slack; and it's mostly/only UI related. Video and audio is leagues above however, and recordings integrated with Stream works like a charm. It's unbelievable how shitty audio and video is in slack however. If microsoft got its UI/UX game, it's easier to get that right than the other way around.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by spockz on Sunday March 27, 2022 @04:42PM (#30823902)
Have you tried other tools? Discord, zoom, webex have way better audio and video quality and include video sharing. FaceTime has superb audio and video but no screen sharing.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by aksss on Sunday March 27, 2022 @08:30PM (#30825631)
Webex, really? Didn’t the zoom people leave Cisco to make a better Webex? The only people I know still using webex are the feds. Honestly I don’t have issues with teams voice and video, it seems largely commodity at this point, though zoom certainly talks up their ability to maintain quality over crummy connections.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by selcuka on Sunday March 27, 2022 @09:00PM (#30825852)
> Didn’t the zoom people leave Cisco to make a better Webex?

Maybe? That doesn't tell anything about Webex being worse than Teams, though. People may also leave Zoom to make a better Zoom tomorrow.

Re:Killed by Microsoft by sgerenser on Sunday March 27, 2022 @11:23PM (#30826805)
Apple uses Slack and WebEx. The experience is so disjoint and WebEx itself is so crappy that I actually prefer Teams overall even though Slack is a better chat client.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by spockz on Monday March 28, 2022 @11:05AM (#30831221)
Yes. In my experience the video quality in webex is better than in teams. And it supports multiple screen shares.

What I really dislike about teams is that it downgrades my 4K video feed to 480p.

Re:Killed by Microsoft by jimmaswell on Sunday March 27, 2022 @04:10PM (#30823622)
Teams is in the realm of software forced on an entire company by clueless executives who are easily swayed by sales conmen on complimentary golf/ski trips, so they don't have to actually care about making it a good experience - a perfunctory checklist of barely-functional features that look good on a powerpoint is sufficient.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by bayindirh on Sunday March 27, 2022 @04:11PM (#30823630)
For what it's worth, Teams feel like it's haphazardly glued together from what's laying around, esp. in Linux.

Why restart the application if it cannot connect to the internet? Why can't I have native notifications? Why iOS app's notifications are unreliable?

I really can't believe the quality of this thing. While I don't like Microsoft, I agree that they can write semi-decent software. Teams is not one of them.

Re:Killed by Microsoft by creativenolo on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:45PM (#30823398)
What about Teams makes you think that?

My experience has been the opposite. But that could have just been that it fitted our setup well. Or that I haven't tried better.

Re:Killed by Microsoft by floucky on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:56PM (#30823488)
Copy/Paste code often doesn't work for me, especially SQL. There is a dedicated component to do that, but that's not convenient at all.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by Siira on Sunday March 27, 2022 @04:09PM (#30823609)
Re:Killed by Microsoft by qwertywert_ on Monday March 28, 2022 @12:50AM (#30827249)
Search through messages doesn't give any context or even let you jump to the context. Very unresponsive scrolling. Notifications have been unreliable for me.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by hennell on Monday March 28, 2022 @03:31AM (#30828062)
They finally fixed search so you can jump to the context a month or so back. I have no idea why it took so long, but search is actually helpful now
Re:Killed by Microsoft by EvanAnderson on Sunday March 27, 2022 @04:50PM (#30823995)
The sysadmin experience on Windows is hot garbage, too. I assume the people writing it have had less than no experience dealing with deploying software to fleets of PCs, hot-desking, VDI, RDP farms, etc. It's ridiculously inefficient.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by B1FF_PSUVM on Sunday March 27, 2022 @04:58PM (#30824067)
> It's ridiculously inefficient.

You mean that simple tasks take many billable hours?

Hmmm ...

Re:Killed by Microsoft by EvanAnderson on Sunday March 27, 2022 @06:43PM (#30824893)
Irresponsible use of disk space, CPU cycles, and network bandwidth is more what I'm referring to. I've scripted some cleanup of profiles to take care of disk space exhaustion in a couple of situations. Cleaning up after Teams hasn't been a revenue generator for me, but it has created complaints. Anything that causes me to receive complaints from users draws my ire. (I subscribe to the "sewer system" theory of sysadmin for end-user facing servers, desktops, etc. You never think about your municipal sewer system unless it has problems. Ideally that's never. User-facing IT infrastructure should be the same.)
Re:Killed by Microsoft by B1FF_PSUVM on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @07:12PM (#30849536)
Just for kicks, a little gedanken-experiment:

Product A costs 2 bazillion, and is perfect - for a 10 year lifetime, it works perfectly and requires no support. Zero additional cost.

Product B does about the same, costs only 1 bazillion, but is rather shoddy - over a 10 year lifetime, it will require a further 3 bazillion worth of fixes, support and extra resources. That does feed a lot of families, though.

Take your guess at what happens.

Yeah, me neither.

Re:Killed by Microsoft by EvanAnderson on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @08:06PM (#30849972)
I feel like fractional reserve banking and the broken windows fallacy fit in here somewhere too. >smile<
Re:Killed by Microsoft by philwelch on Sunday March 27, 2022 @04:58PM (#30824073)
Slack is much better as a corporate chat app, but I’m not sure that’s necessarily good in the broader picture because I’m not sure you want to maximize chat engagement in a corporate setting. There are weird cultural effects to that, and paradoxically having a shittier app for that might get you the benefits of being able to chat with your coworkers and ask them questions without the weird social effects.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by Andys on Sunday March 27, 2022 @06:02PM (#30824620)
and if the team consists of remote workers?
Re:Killed by Microsoft by philwelch on Sunday March 27, 2022 @07:15PM (#30825147)
I don't think that necessarily changes anything. The weird cultural effects of Slack are probably even worse with remote workers.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by Andys on Sunday March 27, 2022 @11:24PM (#30826816)
We might as well be from different species :) I'd love it if you could elaborate. How do you chat with coworkers remotely if not slack.. IRC? phone? Go around to their house?
Re:Killed by Microsoft by philwelch on Monday March 28, 2022 @04:06AM (#30828275)
The context of the discussion here is about Microsoft Teams. Teams doesn’t have a particularly engaging or enjoyable or usable design, but it does provide the bare minimum chat functionality.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by mellavora on Monday March 28, 2022 @03:20AM (#30827997)
Depends. Who owns the data contained in the chat?
Re:Killed by Microsoft by spaetzleesser on Sunday March 27, 2022 @09:29PM (#30826057)
I feel Teams is thrown together by a few interns who are learning product development and trying to be "agile".
Re:Killed by Microsoft by iratewizard on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:43PM (#30823379)
I can't name a single messenger with worse user experience.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by coolspot on Sunday March 27, 2022 @05:04PM (#30824122)
Try Skype?
Re:Killed by Microsoft by iratewizard on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @02:44PM (#30859192)
Even shitty Microsoft Skype isn't as bad as teams. Skype never just held onto messages without delivering them. Teams can't even do the core thing it's supposed to do correctly - send messages.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by jhasse on Sunday March 27, 2022 @06:21PM (#30824733)
After Microsoft took over, yes.
Re:Killed by Microsoft by jokethrowaway on Sunday March 27, 2022 @07:12PM (#30825124)
I have no idea why my clients keep paying for it.

Maybe it's part of some Office / Outlook insane bundle from hell?

Free zoom with the 40m limit provides a better experience.