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Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by jbooth on Thursday October 06, 2011 @04:17PM (#3081464)
Look, these intellectual property companies are job creators. I'm sick of all you hippies who want free access to a timezone database. As long as they keep up the lobbying and donations, they're doing a lot more for the world than silly concepts I've never heard of like "unix" and "java".
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by DenisM on Thursday October 06, 2011 @05:59PM (#3081831)
Kindly lay off sarcasm. I understand the temptation, but succumbing to it will cause HN to become a place for wenting anger. I mean just look at the thread of comments below yours. Is that what you want HN to be?

Let's make it a place for civilized discourse instead... shall we?

Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by jbooth on Thursday October 06, 2011 @06:24PM (#3081893)
Kindly lay off scolding. I understand the temptation, but succumbing to it will cause HN to become a place for silly meta discussions. I mean just look at how much longer you made this thread.

PS there was an actual point there. You can disagree if you want I guess, but meta discussions are always stupid - post the disagreement instead.

Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by mooism2 on Friday October 07, 2011 @03:08AM (#3082982)
You hid your actual point in sarcasm so well, I have no idea whether your point was merely "rah rah American democracy is shit" or something more insightful.

What was it?

Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by jbooth on Friday October 07, 2011 @09:22AM (#3083813)
That we as techies have a fundamentally different view of this than legislators, and legislators typically are going to listen to whoever pays to play. Honestly listen, as in they know what they don't know and are trying to learn. But they only hear part of the story.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by sliverstorm on Thursday October 06, 2011 @06:09PM (#3081859)
I don't mind the occassional visit to sarcasm and humor on HN, especially when it is relatively high-brow, poignant, and relevant.

Not that I would claim I always manage to instill poigniancy into my jibes.

Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by cosgroveb on Thursday October 06, 2011 @06:14PM (#3081870)
Is satire, which often makes very heavy use of sarcasm, to be considered uncivilized?
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by moultano on Thursday October 06, 2011 @09:38PM (#3082310)
Unless it's exceptionally good then we're better off without it.

The problem with sarcasm is that it insulates you from having to make an argument yourself. All you have to do is mimic your opponent and make them sound ridiculous. It's almost inherently a straw man fallacy unless it is exceptionally careful.

If you can't use sarcasm you're forced to state what you believe in positive terms, which makes for much more fruitful discussion. It's like the "passive voice" of argumentation. There are some cases where you just have to, but your writing gets better if you categorically avoid it.

Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by jerrya on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:02PM (#3082487)
Hacker News is a bit like KAOS. Unless you're at the North Pole, there is no joking here.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by MrMan on Thursday October 06, 2011 @10:38PM (#3082438)
there is no room for satire on HN.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by kelnos on Thursday October 06, 2011 @07:23PM (#3082035)
In this case it just wasn't funny.

(Yes, I know, subjective, blah blah blah. I don't care.)

Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by sliverstorm on Thursday October 06, 2011 @05:24PM (#3081726)
I'm sick of all you hippies who want free access to a timezone database

Seriously. Who came up with the moronic idea that people somehow "deserve" to know what time it is?

Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by kapitalx on Thursday October 06, 2011 @06:19PM (#3081879)
We can totally crowdsource time. If everyone inputs what time they think it is by looking at the sky, we could just take the average of all those inputs and know the absolute time [wisdom of the crowd]
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by wizard_2 on Thursday October 06, 2011 @07:39PM (#3082066)
I'd much rather each community select a few people who they think are the best at knowing what time it is and then take an average of them.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by gord on Thursday October 06, 2011 @06:59PM (#3081984)
+1 for absolute relative social local time!
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by nknight on Thursday October 06, 2011 @07:13PM (#3082013)
Statistically, it will always be just about lunch time, so I think we can just dispense with clocks.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by Duff on Thursday October 06, 2011 @05:34PM (#3081753)
Right on! It is about time that computer users buck up and take some personal responsibility. It's not like you can just look up at the sky and figure out what time it is! The hard work of innovators who figure out complex issues like the time need to be compensated!
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by sliverstorm on Thursday October 06, 2011 @06:05PM (#3081851)
Indeed. It's not like knowing what time it is, is not valuable. Just think of all the interviews you could make on-time!

Of course, if you want to show up on time, on the correct day, you'll also need to license out access to our date server, in addition to the time server.

Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by Cushman on Thursday October 06, 2011 @05:46PM (#3081792)
It'd be funnier if it weren't so, so true.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by marshray on Thursday October 06, 2011 @04:47PM (#3081581)
Yeah, they teach us in business school that "time = money".

Only a pinko commie would think that privately-owned intellectual property like this should be free.

Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by derleth on Friday October 07, 2011 @02:54AM (#3082957)
Sarcasm and satire only work when you aren't saying something you might actually believe.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by tomp on Thursday October 06, 2011 @04:48PM (#3081583)
Mafia and drug cartels create jobs as well. That doesn't mean they are good for the society, and that the people employed by them could not produce more value doing something else.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by jbooth on Thursday October 06, 2011 @04:51PM (#3081601)
Guess I needed the snark tag. Thought the unix and java line would be a dead giveaway.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by aw3c2 on Thursday October 06, 2011 @05:15PM (#3081692)
I missed it too and so I downvoted your post.

HN being a site full of entrepeneurs I often see concepts about society and rights where I feel sick in my stomach, so your post did not seem very unusual to me.

Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by wladimir on Friday October 07, 2011 @09:30AM (#3083838)
Yes, I'm sorry I downvoted you too before I realized you were making a joke (no way to undo it, though I upvoted this post to make up for it). I guess it wasn't over-the-top enough, there are people that would mean that seriously, and defend copyright and patent trolls.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by lanstein on Thursday October 06, 2011 @04:56PM (#3081621)
You can't be serious.
Re:Time-zone database used by Unix shut down due to IP litig... by tomp on Saturday October 08, 2011 @03:34PM (#3088723)
I wasn't :)