in a way, Fox news is honest news.

They were created (and everyone knows) to report from a "point of view" of the right.

The "left wing" media pretend to be the only real/factual news/journalism, but can be just as biased and partisan, if not worse.

I agree. Fox News wears what it is on it's sleeve. CNN proports to be a fair, truthful source of news and very rarely outright lies to people, but there is too much missing context, misleading headlines, and late corrections. It takes too much mental energy to figure out what is worth paying attention to on CNN, it is easier to just ignore it.

Isn't Fox New's official slogan "Fair and Balanced"?

If CNN is so neutral why do you assume that if I am against them that I like Fox News. News isn't a fucking red team vs blue team sport. I just want a good non-partisan news source. Fox News is terrible but CNN and MSNBC seem to be racing to be them.

I.... what?

I didn't say CNN is neutral, I don't believe that. Nor have I assumed you like Fox News, I didn't insinuate anything of the sort. All I'm saying is Fox News does not wear what they are on their sleeve; they purport to be "fair and balanced" which is plainly a lie.

Much like CNN is "The Most Trusted Name in News".

All news pretends to be real factual news. When has Fox ever delegitimized their own journalism?

> When has Fox ever delegitimized their own journalism?

In court. When their anchors get sued for slander.

When did Rachael Maddow join Fox?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/568213-oan-loses-appeal-i...

Yeah, because the channel is called Fox News any rational person understands that shows like "Tucker Carlson Tonight", "Watter's World", or "Gutfeld!" are news and not entertainment/opinion. Same rational people are completely fine with trusting the legitimate news shows from respectable journalists on Comedy Central and HBO channels though.

There is no major left-wing equivalent to the Tucker Carlson original series Fox pushes. I’m not sure I buy that the left-wing media stoops to quite the lows that Fox does. The Patriot Purge series specifically intones that Jan. 6 was a false flag operation from the FBI to institute martial law and arrest Trump supporters - that, from the most watched cable news host in the US.

https://nation.foxnews.com/tucker-carlson-originals/

sounds harmless compared to Operation Northwoods: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

but probably untrue since it was allowed on mainstream media. Anything that really threatens the narrative will be banned outright or at mission critical times, like this documentary removed from youtube after being available for 6 years:

https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html

Exactly. This article on Rolling Stone only gets published because there is a market for it, i.e., there are Right-wingers out there looking for 'evidence' that CNN is just as bad as 'fair & balanced' Fox News. In a free enterprise world, pieces only get published when there is a demand for it. I'm not quite persuaded by the Rolling Stone piece. To me, it has 'what about CNN' written all over it.

>>The "left wing" media pretend to be the only real/factual news/journalism, but can be just as biased and partisan, if not worse.

see r/politics

I would love to see examples of anything on CNN or MSNBC that approaches QAnon-levels of derangement.

Well there's the Russians under every bed paranoia Look how they treated Trump from the start. 2020 was the most secure election in American history. 2016 was stolen by secret Russian collusion, that even a multi year long Mueller probe was unable to find any connections or collusion.

You can also find the limits on information through polling. Over half of fox News viewers believe that the US government found WMDs in Iraq in 2003. Over half of Democrats believe Russians hacked vote tallies and compromised voting machines in 2016

The coverage on the BLM protests also. The hypocracy of liberal media .

Nurses with “see you next week” signs during Trump ralleys and then one week later full 100% support for rallying. Just ad long as the cause is considered politically correct.

There was an article ( oped ) in Nature magazine on these protests that claimef the only covid spread that happening during BLM protests was because some people brought their unmasked children.

Nature magazine wrote that.

Ill try to dig up a link I personally feel it is healthy to have your eyes opened to your own political sides hypocracy.

I will never trust journalists again.

> Russians under every bed paranoia

I always wonder how much that is a result of Trumps non-stop tweeting about it

> Over half of Democrats believe Russians hacked vote tallies and compromised voting machines in 2016

source?

The Mueller investigation did however find evidence of obstruction of justice. There was also undisputably communication between the Trump campaign and the Russians. A reasonable person can still believe that it’s within the realm of possibility that something illegal went down there, although I concede it has not been proven.

Contrast that with what I asked for, claims as deranged as what QAnon put forth. Are you telling me that you think that what you mentioned is on par with stories about a cabal of satanic cannibal pedophiles secretly controlling the entire US government, with Trump being the only one in power fighting back (also in silence, by the way)?

The entire Trump-Russia collusion story was invented by the Clinton campaign and fed to leftists eager to hear anything that explained how Trump could have been elected. The fact is that Trump appealed to enough people in enough states to win in 2016, but instead of believing that, leftists jumped on this collusion nonsense. That story is literally the biggest conspiracy theory of all time, and it sounds like you bought it hook, line, and sinker. Believing that Trump was taking orders from Putin is comparable to believing that the world is controlled by cabal of pedophiles. Your bias may prevent you from seeing it, or the four years of media spreading the conspiracy theory, but they are equally unrealistic.

> Your bias may prevent you from seeing it

I’m just going to feed this quote back to you. I doubt we will be able to reconcile our respective understandings of this in short order because they’re so far apart, but suffice it to say I believe yours is much further from reality than mine.

To be clear, I never said I believed Trump took actual orders from Putin directly. Did he try to illegally cooperate with and got manipulated by him and his cronies? Yes, that I believe, even though I haven’t seen enough evidence to put it beyond a reasonable doubt (potentially because of the aforementioned obstruction of justice).

Have you watched either in the last 5 years?

I mean, all Trump had to do was sneeze and CNN, MSNBC, NYT all worked themselves into a furious seethe for the next two weeks about how that sneeze was literally basically Hitler and that’s it, that’s the final straw, the world is coming to a literal end now because he’s an unhinged fascist dictator or something.

Mind you this is all coming from “respected” and “establishment-accepted” news organizations to boot.

I'm not American, I live in a different country.

It's clear the American left establishment went apeshit and lost their rationality when that orange guy was elected. They may have been mostly emotional and hiding it behind virtue signaling before, not sure as I didn't pay that much attention to American politics. But after orange guy got in omg their biased agendas were just so incredibly obvious to anyone objectively looking from outside, and their constant 'trumping up' anything was so ridiculous it was pathetic. Pot meet kettle of what they accused other side of, but honestly they looked worse.