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Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by programmarchy on Friday March 04, 2022 @03:00PM (#30559621)
The article mentions it’s a prion or prion-like. Kinda scary. Does our immune system not have any way to fight prions? If not then presumably vaccines wouldn’t work against them either.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by flobosg on Friday March 04, 2022 @03:16PM (#30559873)
> Does our immune system not have any way to fight prions?

The normal and misfolded versions of a prion have the same protein sequence. This lack of differentiation allows the pathogenic form of prions to remain undetected by the immune system.

Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by programmarchy on Friday March 04, 2022 @03:31PM (#30560121)
I understand that it’s the same sequence but the immune system doesn’t “know” about the sequence, it “knows” about the shape, no? Seems like a misfolded protein would have a different shape and receptors would bind to it differently.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by flobosg on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:03PM (#30560547)
You’re right, antibodies are able to recognize shape. Several early steps of the immune response, however, are independent of conformation. For example, in order to be presented, protein antigens are usually processed and chopped into small peptides, and these may be similar between both prion variants. Additionally, prion proteins can be resistant to that sort of processing.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by epgui on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:30PM (#30560853)
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by jaquer_1 on Saturday March 05, 2022 @11:11AM (#30568687)
We got heat-shock proteins, they can be activated by IR light or substances such as sulforaphane. Genetically modified mice, with no heat-shock proteins, die faster when infected with certain prions.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by dmead on Friday March 04, 2022 @03:41PM (#30560243)
There's a ted talk out there that supposed that people who develop als all spent time in forests/streams.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by manmal on Friday March 04, 2022 @03:51PM (#30560367)
Weirdly, professional soccer players are disproportionately affected, while eg road cyclists are not: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19267274/

Football players also have a 4x increased risk: https://tulsaworld.com/lifestyles/ask-the-doctor-pro-footbal...

But basketball players don’t - go figure.

Stephen Hawkins spent ca 1000h on boats during his college years (interesting since you mentioned that streams might bear some trigger)

Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by alfon on Friday March 04, 2022 @05:28PM (#30561467)
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by deltaonefour on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:15PM (#30560691)
The commonality between those effected may be the causative factor. If that same commonality is missing from those less effected it's even more supporting evidence.

In the set you presented. The only people who have increased risk of ALS are those that play sports on grass fields. Maybe that's the key? Grass.

Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by alfon on Friday March 04, 2022 @05:48PM (#30561670)
"Ticks love to be in moist, low grass, so a lot of games, whether it's football, baseball, tend to happen in the morning. There may be dew on the grass and that's where a lot of ticks survive and hang out," Nesheiwat said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/ticks-lyme-disease-cdc-...

Lots of anecdotal evidence of ALS developing after tick bites, or more concretely infection with Borrelia Burgdorferi.

Probably a genetic component, and other enviromental factors are also involved, but the only dramatic reversals of MND I have seen documented (or heard about) have been either with IV antibiotics [1][3], or years of Mercury chelation [2]

[1] https://invisibledisabilities.org/award-recipients/2011award...

[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17212618/

[2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317849075_Healing_o...

In the recent book "Chronic" by Dr. Stephen Philips, he's frustrated since he can only treat successfully (outcome similar to Dr. Martz), with antibiotics, about 15% of his ALS-like patients. Considering how uniformly fatal ALS diagnosis is otherwise, even considering how skewed of a sample he might get (patients that already know they are Lyme positive or suspect it), still find it astonishing.

Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by manmal on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:28PM (#30571003)
Thanks for those links! Re antibiotics, do those end up in the spinal fluid and brain in „useful“ amounts?
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by alfon on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:24PM (#30666344)
Depends on the antibiotic. I believe their molecular mass has to be lower than around 500 Da for them to reliably cross the blood brain barrier. It also depend whether meningeal inflammation is present or not
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by CoastalCoder on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:53PM (#30561113)
I wonder if it correlates with head trauma? Soccer players head the ball, and American football players famously get lots of concussions. But I assume not basketball players or bikers.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by jessriedel on Friday March 04, 2022 @06:10PM (#30561878)
Yes, naively the connection looks like head impacts. The high rate of concussions in soccer is not widely appreciated, despite being over half the rate of American football (about which a lot more has been written).

https://storelli.com/blogs/the-storelli-blog/soccer-concussi....

https://journals.lww.com/cjsportsmed/Abstract/2001/10000/Con...

From the first link, here is the ranking of concussion rate:

1. Rugby (4.18/1,000 AE) 2. Ice hockey (1.20/1,000 AE) 3. American football (0.53/1,000 AE) 4. Lacrosse (0.24/1,000 AE) 5. Soccer (0.23/1,000 AE) 6. Wrestling (0.17/1,000 AE) 7. Basketball (0.13/1,000 AE) 8. Softball & field hockey (0.10/1,000 AE) 9. Baseball (0.016/1,000 AE) 10. Cheerleading (0.07/1,000 AE) 11. Volleyball (0.03/1,000 AE)

> Athletic Exposure (AE) is defined as one athlete participating in one game or practice.

Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by datavirtue on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:39PM (#30562587)
Football and soccer players both. I'm pinging on agro chemicals--from the mentions earlier. I have to assume all natural fields are heavily treated (herbacide and insecticide) and that players spend or have spent their early career on natural fields. All of these chemicals are derived from "nerve agents" that mess with proteins in the central nervous system...or so it is my understanding.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by hunterb123 on Friday March 04, 2022 @05:22PM (#30561397)
I believe the eyes are a vector for prion diseases, at least some.

Possibly infection when being looked at for a head injury, but I assume they take decent precautions.

Another user proposed grass was the commonality between those sports, in that case grass/dirt entering the eyes?

For forest/streams, possibly water/dirt entering the eyes?

Doesn't really narrow much down though, avoid all dirt, grass, and water.

Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by manmal on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:36PM (#30571099)
I‘m not sure I‘m buying the prion theory. Shouldn’t numbers decrease as people go outside ever less often? Prevalence of ALS seems to be increasing though: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC6735526/

I think the Borrelia Burgdorfferi hypothesis would fit better, with Lyme disease numbers climbing in recent decades.

Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by dreamcompiler on Saturday March 05, 2022 @03:07AM (#30565471)
And yet Lou Gehrig played baseball.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by londons_explore on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:58AM (#30565428)
Cause and effect may be reversed... Maybe in the very early stages of ALS, motor coordination skills are worse, making one not be as good a footballer, so you decide to take up a career as an accountant instead, who cycles at the weekends.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by manmal on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:30PM (#30571018)
True, but that should affect basket players too, who don’t seem to be specifically predisposed to ALS.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by rindalir on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:31PM (#30560872)
That would be ... scary for me. The closest I could find was some limited evidence of an association between cyanobacteria blooms and odds of ALS in the surround population: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5727154/
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by HellsMaddy on Friday March 04, 2022 @06:50PM (#30562192)
Can you provide a link? I’m having trouble finding it.
Re:An ALS Protein, Revealed by dmead on Monday March 07, 2022 @10:57PM (#30596261)
I believe this is it. here ya go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jWi6WQQ9wo