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Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by johnnypangs on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:39AM (#30467096)
Looks a lot like the raspberry pi 400 https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-400/.
Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by unfocussed_mike on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:57AM (#30467285)
Yes.

I wonder if this is about education.

Essentially I think Apple have realised their new developer pipe is drying up; the devices are too expensive for hobbyists and they are vastly too expensive for almost all schools on earth.

The Pi 400 is a wholly credible device in those markets; it solves a lot of the practicality issues of the earlier machines.

A device with even an old style A14 or the M1 in an M2 future, tucked inside a keyboard, could be made viable for this market, I think, and it's seemed obvious to me for some time that the only reason Apple don't make the Apple TV into a general purpose education computing device is that they don't care about the market.

If they've started to care about that market again, it's a good thing.

Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by em500 on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:23AM (#30467579)
How do laptops without screens make any sense in schools, which are largely already deploying cheap laptops with screens?
Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by ksec on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:05AM (#30467990)
Could be targeting library or desktop business uses cases?

There is no reason why it cant be squeezed down to $299. Basically the iPad ( $329 ) without screen. Or more like with A14 but $399.

Cool idea, the problem is I still dont understand where the target market are, the two above doesn't seems very Apple to me. There are ~700M business PC ( both laptop and desktop ), I would imagine this is attractive enough for Apple to make exception.

Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by csunbird on Monday February 28, 2022 @01:28AM (#30496979)
or, just make ipad a proper handheld general purposed device that can be used for more sophisticated purposes, instead of crippling it.
Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by sanjayio on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:49AM (#30467829)
I’m terms of user experience Apple is unparalleled. If I was a teacher and there was a cheap option to educate kids with less hands on from me, I’d go with that option in a heart beat.
Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by mcphage on Friday February 25, 2022 @11:25AM (#30468956)
> I think Apple have realised their new developer pipe is drying up

Is this actually happening? New iOS apps seem to be coming along in a flood like usual.

Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by ta988 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:27AM (#30468254)
It is also because the developer experience on a mac is a disaster when you have to use docker (and can't do it in a VM).
Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by smoyer on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:06AM (#30467394)
I thought the same thing ... and wonder how Apple can possibly believe this is patentable.
Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by unfocussed_mike on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:15AM (#30467500)
I thought it was a design patent. It's full of very specific measurements.

Design patents only protect key aspects of product design, they are more limited, and -- evidently like this one -- they're kept secret until they are granted.

There's a good chance this device is actually going to happen.

If it's not a design patent then they are really only claiming one or two small elements of this as innovation. Read any patent; they're all like this at some level.

Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by Someone on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:46AM (#30467806)
Measurements and details (“a hinge foldable about an axis perpendicular to the rear-facing wall”, “a cross-sectional shape of the enclosure is triangular”)

This is to protect (somewhat) against lookalikes.

One interesting part is that they mention an inductive charging coil. Cursory reading didn’t tell me whether that’s for keeping a mouse charged or for charging the device.

Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by unfocussed_mike on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:57AM (#30467904)
> This is to protect (somewhat) against lookalikes.

Right. Fits with my understanding. Basically they (and others -- HP/LG) use these patent classes to protect aspects of technical designs in the way that Coca Cola used design patents to protect their classic bottle shape.

So possibly not an actual design patent but something with the same narrow scope.

I guess it's an open question as to whether they should be allowed, but they surely seem largely to be easy to avoid in good faith.

Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by unfocussed_mike on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:45AM (#30467794)
More notes in my other comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30467618
Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by catfishx on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:08AM (#30467419)
So is Raspberry now violating Apples patents?
Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by arghwhat on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:13AM (#30467481)
No, it is by definition impossible for an older product to ever violate a later patent, as a patent is invalid in the presence of prior art.
Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by ianai on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:55AM (#30467271)
Those don’t seem to sell well either-at least they’ve been available for purchase much longer and easier than the other models. Could be for a headset though.
Re:Apple Imagines Mac-Inside-a-Keyboard Device Evocative of ... by unfocussed_mike on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:06AM (#30467396)
Well -- they obviously don't have quite as broad an application as the Pi 4 and Zero 2 have.

You can't embed a Pi 400 in a robot, you wouldn't stick it on the side of a 3D printer, turn it into a streaming media player, etc.

I suspect the Pi 400 sells better at specific times of the year -- at Christmas and when schools are spending their rare IT budgets. But it's also the first product of its kind from them.