Re:Outlook just asked me if I want to upgrade to bigger ads
by nerdponx on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:48PM
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Don't forget the other side of it: we as programmers, designers, PMs, etc. have a lot more concentrated power than end users do. One of many good reasons to unionize is the ability to set professional standards.
Re:Outlook just asked me if I want to upgrade to bigger ads
by Griffinsauce on Saturday February 19, 2022 @01:01AM
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Professional standards have a hard time against monetary incentives. We should work towards making dark patterns simply illegal and removing those incentives.
Edit: AND unionize AND vote for proper labor rights that make unions unnecessary. I just mean to say that it's better to remove the problem rather than trying to "battle" it with more force.
Re:Outlook just asked me if I want to upgrade to bigger ads
by PaulHoule on Friday February 18, 2022 @10:08PM
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This.
For people in the software biz I think being allowed to make quality products is one of the most important aspects of our working conditions, particularly for our social standing in the long term.
Re:Outlook just asked me if I want to upgrade to bigger ads
by hda111 on Saturday February 19, 2022 @08:14AM
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Outlook.com isn’t even a good product if you ignore the ads. Their extremely strict anti spam policies make it very hard to deliver email to their customers.
Re:Outlook just asked me if I want to upgrade to bigger ads
by saagarjha on Sunday February 20, 2022 @04:27AM
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Gmail has the same "problem". This is a concern for you, the person sending mail to these people, because the people you're trying to send mail to are probably going to complain to you about how they're unable to receive your messages.
Re:Outlook just asked me if I want to upgrade to bigger ads
by account42 on Monday February 21, 2022 @04:11AM
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I know this is just anecdotal, but IME gmail might send you to spam (and seems to at least sometimes learn not to do so for people you have exchanged mail with before) but MS will simply reject all mail from you if you are a small player without a long-standing deditacted /24 without any way for the recipient to get the mail.
Well, Microsoft in this case, and companies like it. They're out to maximize the profit they can extract from their users, so they will do so. People aren't leaving their products in large enough quantities for them to stop doing it.
Which makes this a good opportunity to re-evaluate whether you really need any of their products, or at least see if you can reduce your dependency on anti-user companies.