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Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by amanzi on Friday February 18, 2022 @02:14PM (#30389893)
Using Windows with a Microsoft account introduces all sorts of issues that only power users tend to come across, and power users are who Windows Pro is targeted for.

For example, RDP'ing to a Windows Pro computer with a Microsoft account becomes a lot more difficult. Another example is that Windows still needs a local username and password, even if you've logged in with a Microsoft account, and this can get out of sync if you change your Microsoft account password online, meaning you now have a different local password to your online account.

It's a frustration that power users don't need and this is probably going to force me to relegate Windows to a VM.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by ryan29 on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:39PM (#30390760)
I use multiple non-admin profiles for different activities and I think this will ruin my strategy. I always make the first user a local account and never use it for anything but adding normal user profiles.

I log in with my personal Microsoft account on one profile. I use a local account for a work profile that also has a MS365 account added to it (to avoid being joined to the domain). I have a second MS account for a side project. I have a second local account for a second job that uses Google Workspace.

I use Windows over Linux because it’s more convenient. Although that’s only because I’m forced into Office for work. I could probably switch to Linux for 80% of my stuff. I have a Linux install for development, but rebooting to do a quick task is a pain.

I think the government needs to break up big tech. The anti-consumer behavior they’re engaged in because they have no competition is crazy. IT costs for small businesses have skyrocketed in the last decade. Everything is a subscription and costs 3-10x what it used to.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by jenscow on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:23PM (#30391922)
> I use multiple non-admin profiles for different activities

Well, shit me.

I've not used Windows since 8 came out. However, I would have loved to have had that workflow for a multiple desktop type thing.

Why didn't I think of that 20 years ago?

(for a long time, windows has internally supported multiple desktops, but it's not quite the same)

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by romeoblade on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:52PM (#30393693)
I do the same thing on Linux. I have multiple different users I use for various purposes. One for Work, Personal, Side Business, and an emergency "break glass" user.

I install most applications in my home XDG directory if possible. It helps me have pure separation between work and home life. If I'm on my personal user, I do not have access to work tools, etc.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by kyboren on Saturday February 19, 2022 @02:49PM (#30399916)
If you're already going to these lengths to compartmentalize, you might as well just run Qubes. It's really not much more mental overhead.

Plus you get nice features like different color window borders for applications running in different profiles, properly permissioned inter-profile RPC, virtualized networking ('personal' gets networking from clearnet 'sys-firewall', 'work' gets networking from 'work-vpn', 'project1' gets networking over Tor from 'sys-whonix', etc.), and much, much more.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by Melatonic on Friday February 18, 2022 @06:14PM (#30392472)
Highly recommended way to use any flavor of windows going back to way back when - give your admin account a long fancy password and then just rarely logon as that account. Your daily driver is an account with normal priviliges. Also good for Grandma so she can't install a bunch of spyware
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by chj on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:49PM (#30393310)
Good until your Grandma calls you because some software require the admin password.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by asteroidp on Saturday February 19, 2022 @05:19AM (#30395936)
Or not worry about Granada at all
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by shawnz on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:47PM (#30393660)
Windows now exposes the multiple desktops feature in the shell.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by Melatonic on Friday February 18, 2022 @06:13PM (#30392459)
You can still create local accounts - it sounds like it is just during initial setup they require a Microsoft account and internet access.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by amanzi on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:06PM (#30392945)
That's interesting and seems like an easy work-around. Just create the first account with a Microsoft account, and then create your real account afterwards as a local account. Then delete the first account you created and you have no more links to the Microsoft account. Seems too easy.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by anakaine on Friday February 18, 2022 @11:29PM (#30394438)
Theres an assumption here the deleting the online account will not cause any other issues. Id like to think it is so, but it hasn't been so easy at all times in the past.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by gigglesupstairs on Saturday February 19, 2022 @01:22AM (#30394838)
If they’re linking the pro license with the logged in Microsoft account, it may be difficult to remove it or one may need to provide a different Microsoft account with a valid digital Pro license.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by argomo on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:56PM (#30393712)
True, but in time it will escalate more, just as this escalation builds on the ones that came before it.

Just because a trap closes slowly doesn't mean it isn't a trap.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by vel0city on Friday February 18, 2022 @04:28PM (#30391346)
> For example, RDP'ing to a Windows Pro computer with a Microsoft account becomes a lot more difficult.

I'm of the exact opposite persuasion. RDP'ing into a computer with your Microsoft account is easier, along with file and folder permissions across network shares and other account related things.

I used to have to manage an AD domain to have the same set of accounts across all my various Windows machines. Now that I can sign in with my Windows account, its the same account across all my machines. Permissions are easier on network shares, its the same account. Friends that come over and want to use my machines can log in with their own account. Sharing files with them is then just granting access to their Microsoft account. Its pretty much entirely replaced the desire to run AD at home, which IMO makes things loads easier.

As for your password being out of sync, I've only experienced an out of sync password in cases where the device could not have an internet connection. Once the device was able to get an internet connection, it prompted for me to refresh the current device credentials (lock and log back in), and it then authenticated against the cloud Microsoft account. In the 10 years and ~30 different machines used I've yet to experience a single real frustration of the online account and local account getting out of sync for more than a single password change when literally in the wilderness. In which case, it was just the last password I used to log in to the machine, and then updated when it got network connectivity again.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by marcosdumay on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:31PM (#30392010)
> RDP'ing into a computer with your Microsoft account is easier

Only if you use the same account on both computers. What means the GP will have to use his work account on his personal computer just to jump into another machine.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by vel0city on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:51PM (#30392223)
I'm confused about your hypothetical. Why would they have to do that? Could you explain that issue more?
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by snovv_crash on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:59PM (#30392304)
... because they're at home without their work machine and need to check something at work?

Because their colleague wants to let them drive?

Because my sister wants some help installing a program?

There are so many situations where using a computer doesn't involve strict security protocols and heirarchies. Sometimes MS gets a little too caught up in their corporate environments.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by vel0city on Friday February 18, 2022 @06:15PM (#30392485)
I was asking more about your "What means the GP will have to use his work account on his personal computer just to jump into another machine", which doesn't make any sense to me. Why would they have to use their work account on their personal machine to RDP? Just use the account you're wanting to log in as. So if you're on your personal machine and want to log in to your work machine, just log in to the RDP session with the account INSERTWORKDOMAINHERE\username and your user account, and you'll be able to RDP. This works the same with local accounts or cloud accounts or other domain accounts or whatever. You don't need to have the account locally on your computer to be able to log in as that account with an RDP session.

And then all your hypotheticals speak to issues which don't involve RDP, at all, which I think shows where this disconnect is. RDP is not about sharing a currently active desktop session between two or more users, so all the hypotheticals you shared aren't the use case for RDP. RDP will transfer that console session to the new RDP connection. So say Alice is signed in to her computer locally, and then wants to ask Bob for some help. She shares the hostname for her computer, and tells Bob their login (a terrible idea regardless of it being a local or Microsoft account). Bob fires up RDP, connects using Alice's account, and now Alice's machine gets disconnected from that desktop session and is sitting at the login screen while Bob now has Alice's desktop session.

This doesn't matter if its a Microsoft account or a local account, this is just how the RDP protocol works on Windows. If you're wanting to have a screen share with the built-in Windows tools, the tool for that was Remote Assistance or Quick Assistant. The usefulness of that tool doesn't change whether using local accounts, domain accounts, or Microsoft accounts. Or just use a different tool altogether, of which there are many.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by marcosdumay on Friday February 18, 2022 @10:18PM (#30394115)
RDPing from a user in one domain into a computer with a user in another domain seems to be very broken.

So, the OP is either having problems using a cloud user RDPing into a domain, or connecting his computer into the work's domain and using the same user all the way.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by vel0city on Saturday February 19, 2022 @01:11AM (#30394797)
It's not really broken, you just need to define the domain if it's not your current domain. Broken means it doesn't work, but it works exactly as defined. You need to tell it where you're wanting to authenticate against.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by avereveard on Saturday February 19, 2022 @01:57AM (#30394960)
And only if you logged it at least once with the password. If you log in with the pins or other hello stuff, the computer won't have the password cached locally and won't let you in.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by joenathanone on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:13PM (#30393005)
>RDP'ing into a computer with your Microsoft account is easier

Here is where it gets complicated, what you say is true for personal accounts and Hybrid Azure AD accounts, but it becomes super difficult with pure Azure AD accounts.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by vel0city on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:30PM (#30393161)
I haven't used pure Azure AD accounts from a management perspective before, and I've used it for less than a year as a user. However, I've yet to experience any sync issues personally. What kind of issues can crop up, and how?
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by snuxoll on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:34PM (#30393580)
You have to use AzureAd\[email protected] otherwise it interprets as a UPN and fun ensures. Just deployed 30+ Azure AD only devices in a clinic and that took some getting used to when elevating with UAC.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by joenathanone on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:49PM (#30393677)
100%, and trying to train users that they need to add AzureAd\ to their login....

Also with pure Azure AD accounts you have to add each users permissions manually to each machine they need to login to since Azure AD groups don't sync down to each machine.(Correct me if I am wrong here, it could have changed since I last did a pure Azure AD install 3-4 years ago)

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by amanzi on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:12PM (#30392996)
My issue is that my Microsoft account has a long, random password that is saved in my password vault. I never have to manually type this in because I have it linked to the Microsoft Authenticator app. But if I try to RDP to a computer with a Microsoft Account, I have to use the password to connect with the RDP app (unless I'm missing something?). My local user accounts on my home LAN have complex but easy to remember passwords so this is not usually an issue for me.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by vel0city on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:27PM (#30393142)
If you're already signed in, you've got access to your vault, so it's not too hard to get your password from that when doing your login for RDP. Then you can have it remember your account, or just use the password vault each time. On the plus there, then all your computers are then protected by this complex password instead of weaker passwords. Then you can use PIN, Hello, or security keys for easier sign in locally. Your account is still protected by your complex password, the alternative login methods are local only and have short guess attempts.

I haven't tried but I think these days you can actually authenticate RDP with a security key associated with the account.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by neighborlynook on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:26PM (#30390602)
I am convinced Power Users are not the target market for Windows 11 (or maybe even windows). I mistakenly updated to it and have regretted it. Did you know they turned off animations when using Virtual Desktops [1]? A power-user feature on all the other OS' that took Microsoft till 2019 to adopt was crippled in little over 2 years after release.

[1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/report-an-issue/windo...

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by pxx on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:47PM (#30390862)
Color me confused. Why would I ever want animations when I change virtual desktops? I know what keys I pressed. I pressed them for a reason. The animation just gets in the way.

In general, animations don't seem like a "power user" feature at all. Animations hint at new users ("hey, where did that window go when I minimized it") but aren't useful once you understand the abstraction.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by kergonath on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:59PM (#30392299)
Being a power user does not make you infaillible or unable to press the wrong keys. A subtle animation is a trivial visual cue that they keys I pressed did something, the wrong keys resulting in the wrong cue. I am not looking at my keyboard when I switch desktops.

Look at tools, for example. Tools for power users do not have fewer cues and affordances than tools for neophytes. They have more, because they have more features, more power, and using them can be more dangerous. You can also see it that way: a newbie using a feature once a day will be wrong (and needing to be nudged to the right direction) once a day. A power user who is wrong 1 times every 100 they use a feature will still be wrong more often than the newbie if they use it more than 100 times a day.

Also, this:

> We’ve turned off the animation when switching Desktops using the keyboard shortcuts as it was leading to flashes and hangs

is fucking ridiculous. If your compositor is so bad you can’t animate desktop switching without “flashes and hangs”, it means you have some serious work to do on your display subsystem. Fix your OS already!

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/08/05/announc...

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by throwamon on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:24PM (#30391929)
Maybe I just have exceptional cognitive and motor skills issues, but even though I spend pretty much all my time in front of a screen and consider myself to be a power user, I press wrong keys by mistake very often, and I do appreciate (fast) animations for feedback. There definitely should be at the very least a toggle though.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by dmonitor on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:16PM (#30391838)
There should be some feedback to something so drastic as a desktop context change
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by rightbyte on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:17PM (#30391854)
When going "two to the right" over empty desktops it is nice to see it was triggered two times maybe? I have a habit of putting the same stuff on the same virtual desktop number, so the other are ofen empty.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by marcosdumay on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:28PM (#30391975)
Hum... Do I have an absolute shortcut to go to virtual desktop X, or only a relative one to go to the previous or next one?

On the first case animations aren't important, but on the second they are essential.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by Terry_Roll on Friday February 18, 2022 @02:41PM (#30390172)
The main problem with a MS account is if you have alot of documents and you log onto a new machine, you better have good internet speed otherwise you will be waiting hours for the documents to come down. Its not so noticeable with windows server (at least since server 2000) and workstations because office network speeds are good but if you also had exchange, then local copies of exchange mailboxes also tied up office networks for ages especially if users had exchange/outlook mailboxes in excess of a several Gb in size. Usually at least 10/100 speed but usually faster, you dont get that over the internet hardly anywhere.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by zeusk on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:04PM (#30390376)
You can disable auto sync for onedrive and/or outlook. You can also mark your connection as metered so any background transfer will only be initiated on user approval.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by antsar on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:00PM (#30390337)
Logging in with a MS account automatically uploads your documents to their cloud?

Cool…

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by gruez on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:05PM (#30390387)
I doubt it, considering that Microsoft only gives you 5GB of storage for free. Anyone with non-trivial amounts of documents will quickly blow through this. What the parent poster is talking about is probably the onedrive folder, which probably gets automatically set up when you sign in with your microsoft account.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by ryan29 on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:46PM (#30390843)
They have some dirty tricks they use to “convince” users to put all their files in OneDrive. The main one is making it seem like a backup or something the user forgot to set up (“protect your files”), so a lot of users fall for it.

Files on demand is a way to make people dependent and the low quota is to get them onto a subscription.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by robbedpeter on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:47PM (#30390858)
And everything defaults to saving files in that folder. Saving locally is made intentionally difficult, and the setting is regularly reset to one drive after updates.

So yeah, Microsoft basically saves all your documents to the cloud, even after trying very hard to disable that possibility.

Windows 11 is the proverbial straw for my camel. It's hostile and aggressive, and I don't need to fight with my computer.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by nightski on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:08PM (#30391770)
No, it doesn't. I have no idea what the parent is talking about. It sounds like roaming profiles with an AD domain, nothing to do with an MS account.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by Terry_Roll on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:35PM (#30393205)
I'm talking about both.

AD with roaming profiles was a nightmare if for some reasons the workstation couldnt connect to the server when they logged on, somehow users managed to create multiple roaming profiles which jammed up the network when their massive ms exchange/outlook files 5Gb+ size early 00's downloaded for "offline" working.

And with the windows 10 accounts where its nigh on impossible to get onedrive to stop copying your files. If when setting a new computer, you dont create a ms account when you configure your first user, its easier to get rid of onedrive, but if you have or create a ms account which is used to add a user when setting up a new computer to log into windows, then onedrive just keeps coming back like a virus. Absolute pain in the backside.

I'm at the stage of looking at Linux now but not ubuntu because even ubuntu phones home with meta data and that had been reported some years ago in the press, there just isnt any privacy from these devices anymore. I dont even own a mobile phone now its got that bad with being tracked. I've gone from early adopter to last person on the adoption curve line.

These people dont understand privacy and the security services/law enforcement are loving all this surveillance, they have never had it so easy before, being able to place virtually every individual in a country at the push of a button.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by stjohnswarts on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:10PM (#30391788)
I don't believe this is the case. On my corporate account stuff only uploads if you drop it in OneDrive. If you use “Documents” on OneDrive then yeah they get uploaded. Use it in the local folder, and it's local. Otherwise, I'm a Linux man.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by freeflight on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:24PM (#30393519)
There are settings to disable a lot of that, but Windows updates will often default them without informing the user.

The whole user-experience feels more like an active war against an hostile actor constantly trying to take over your machine.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by freeflight on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:21PM (#30393498)
> Another example is that Windows still needs a local username and password, even if you've logged in with a Microsoft account, and this can get out of sync if you change your Microsoft account password online, meaning you now have a different local password to your online account.

I tripped over this when I first started using Windows 10. It felt so unbelievably frustrating to be locked out of a local system because I couldn't remember my MS account password anymore.

As a reward for that, I discovered MS was indexing the contents of all my hard-drives, could suddenly look at my local hard drives just by logging into my MS account from any other device.

Even tho I went out of my way to disable as much of the home-phone functionality as possible; Just takes one auto-update to default a lot of these settings without ever informing the user about it.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by gilrain on Friday February 18, 2022 @02:28PM (#30390022)
This is how I wound up becoming so annoyed that I finally switched to Linux. It’s been great. I haven’t even missed out on gaming.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by stjohnswarts on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:12PM (#30391798)
I might get downvoted, but I like windows as an OS. I used it for years and it was pretty stable and easy to modify. Now that they are going the way of Google they really have nothing to keep me. Linux has been my main OS for years anyway. Windows I used for office, adobe products, and games. I guess I'll just keep a network gapped VM around for those on my linux and buy some extra memory to handle the VM.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by worewood on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:28PM (#30393147)
Technically speaking it is nice. I like NT as an OS too. The user experience is being eroded by marketing.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by amanzi on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:20PM (#30393071)
Most of my work life has been focused on Microsoft products, so I've been using Windows for a long time as my primary OS. I upgraded to Windows 11 as soon as I could and despite me creating a local account initially, I then linked it to a Microsoft Account which has caused me no end of pain. There have been lots of other niggly issues with Windows 11 that I've been living with, e.g. I prefer having my taskbar on the right-hand side of the screen but that feature went away with Windows 11; and the start menu search has been playing up recently where I couldn't just start typing after the menu coming up - although it seems to be better at the moment.

I switched my laptop over to PopOS a while back and have really been enjoying that, although I miss not having the Office desktop apps available. I also purchased a OneDrive sync app for Linux which works very well.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by rd07 on Friday February 18, 2022 @10:49PM (#30394265)
You might want to try WinApps or something similar to run your MS Office in Linux. I haven't try it myself, but it seems a nice way to run Windows apps in Linux.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by amanzi on Sunday February 20, 2022 @07:04PM (#30410489)
Thanks for the tip about WinApps. Looks like it might work for me but will try it out to confirm.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by mark-r on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:13PM (#30390458)
I keep hoping Microsoft will go one step too far and everyone will be forced to switch. Hasn't happened yet.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by Kye on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:37PM (#30390728)
Linux really doesn't have good alternatives for most of the tools I use, and none of it runs in Wine and similar, so I hope not.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by flatiron on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:44PM (#30390817)
It’s hard to beat windows native office. MacOS version stinks and the web version is pretty slow on complicated stuff. That’s why I use windows on my work PC ans WSL for the dev stuff.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by smoldesu on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:27PM (#30391965)
It's not everyone's favorite answer, but LibreOffice works fine for me. I've set a number of documents with it (including my own resume) and it works perfectly fine. It's not the most intuitive program ever made, but it's nothing if not comprehensive.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by amanzi on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:22PM (#30393087)
You're not going to convince hardcore Office users (like me) that LibreOffice is good enough. I try it occasionally on my Linux laptop, and I have nothing good to say about it.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by Kaze404 on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:19PM (#30393491)
That's interesting, I have the opposite perspective. I'm not a power user in the sense that I use it to write documents, but at work we generate docx files from code (not a good idea) and a significant amount of the time we have perfectly fine files that render as we expect on LibreOffice but break unexpectedly on Word. Sometimes it even renders fine on the web version, but still incorrectly in Word itself.

Edit: I should clarify that I don't mean to contradict you. Just thought it would be an interesting perspective to read about.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by flatiron on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:40PM (#30393620)
Personally I deal with word templates and decades old xlsx files. OG office is my only go to and honestly it’s great. I don’t buy office for home so for kids projects it’s great. But not for payday stuff.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by temac on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:43PM (#30393633)
> MacOS version stinks

I have not tried it yet but was thinking I could need it one day; what particularly stinks about it?

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by flatiron on Saturday February 19, 2022 @05:29PM (#30401135)
They are two different animals. My old job had office documents to complex that windows vm with office performed better than native macOS.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by amanzi on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:23PM (#30393100)
What are you missing out the most on Linux? For me, it's really just the Office apps, everything else I've found works just as well on Linux.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by Kye on Friday February 18, 2022 @07:57PM (#30393367)
Pretty much everything. I've used both Linux and Windows extensively over the last decade plus and am very familiar with the available alternatives and find those that exist for what I use lacking. Trying to list them off just invites people to pick suggestions off whatever list they have ready without regard for the needs of the person they're suggesting at, and it gets tiresome.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by robbedpeter on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:47PM (#30390869)
Frog boiling is an art.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by asabla on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:23PM (#30393512)
This is exactly what happened to me. I just had enough with all the anti-patterns emerging for each larger update or Windows iteration. I now do all work which require windows in a VM, and using PopOS as host and couldn't be happier.

If it weren't for specific .Net framework parts and my hate/love relationship with Visual Studio I would have probably moved on from Windows a long time ago

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by hedora on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:49PM (#30393670)
Wow, this comment just crossed 50 replies. I think the fundamental issue is that Microsoft platforms have never maintained the invariant that knowing your username and password is enough to log in.

Oh well. Minecraft and an Xbox 360 are my remaining use cases for my Microsoft account. I've long left that ecosystem. I do miss my windows phone though.

Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by 55873445216111 on Friday February 18, 2022 @02:39PM (#30390145)
I could never get my RDP to work until I switched to using a local account. Now I know why I was pulling my hair out trying to get it working.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by judge2020 on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:13PM (#30393459)
The RDP issue is only a problem because the UI doesn't make it clear that you need to have password sign-in enabled to RDP, when setting up a PIN during initial setup disables password sign-in.
Re:Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account duri... by lasereyes136 on Saturday February 19, 2022 @10:40AM (#30397882)
> and power users are who Windows Pro is targeted for.

Nope, Windows Pro is targeted to businesses.

I agree that this will be a frustration point some power users don't need and while make some relegate Windows to a VM. Many power users have already done this and I don't see them changing direction based on this news.