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Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by jandrese on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:50PM (#30378463)
At some point in our lifetime we are going to have to effectively abandon cities like Miami, and our politicians will still be in denial about climate change.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by ur-whale on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:00PM (#30379258)
Aside from all the misery this will cause, it'll be interesting to see what happens to property rights once you coastal parcel gets submerged.

Will you still own it?

Will you be able to build some sort of platform above sea level with a house on it given that the submerged land was once yours?

Will it eventually give rise to a "living on the sea" movement?

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by jpindar on Friday February 18, 2022 @01:22PM (#30389215)
Or if you don't want to commit to building a pier or platform, could you moor a houseboat there?

It's worth noting that flooding isn't an all or nothing thing. I live on the New England coast and my neighborhood occasionally floods during storms. This is a disaster for some houses, but only a temporary inconvenience for others which are build on a tall foundation and have a raised area for parking.

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by distrill on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:55PM (#30378538)
FWIW, I'm not sure if any main stream politicians are arguing today that there is no climate change. I could be wrong, but most of what I hear is a question of how much is human caused/accelerated, rather than whether it's happening at all.

There are some obvious exceptions like people pandering with "record low today, how about that global warming libs", but as far as I can tell this isn't the official position of any political office.

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by mmmpop on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:00PM (#30378602)
>> most of what I hear is a question of how much is human caused/accelerated, rather than whether it's happening at all.

I feel like that's last decade's news.

Many people I hear now are just fed up of the hypocrites and would as soon watch it all melt/burn/explode rather than let smug folk like Kerry be the "Climate Czar" while tooling around the globe on his Airstream.

Greta has a point when she starts raving about the climate change conferences where each of the attendees all flew in on their private jets. It's pretty shameful.

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by stjohnswarts on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:32AM (#30383398)
What were the going to do travel by sailboat for weeks? Some of the most important/powerful people in the world? They aren't used to zoom so flying it is.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by mikestew on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:06PM (#30378680)
but most of what I hear is a question of how much is human caused/accelerated

That's just another form of denialism. "Climate change is a hoax, I don't have to change my behavior." is little different from "Climate change is real, but I'm not convinced it human-caused, so I don't have to change my behavior."

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by asoneth on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:44PM (#30379093)
I suspect the next stage will be to admit that it's real and was caused by humans, but argue that it's too late/expensive to do anything about it. (And therefore I don't have to change my behavior.)
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by jandrese on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:21PM (#30379477)
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/climate-deniers-117...

Climate Change denial is alive and well in the US. In some areas it is considered a political liability to acknowledge climate change.

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by cryptoz on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:59PM (#30378586)
"FWIW", the last president declared that climate change was a hoax invented by China to make the US weaker. I don't know about "official position of any political office" but "climate change is a hoax" (or similar) is a common position on one half of the US political divide.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by dylan604 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:20PM (#30378832)
I'm still a big fan of making all elected officials wear NASCAR inspired suits with the patches of all of their corporate sponsors so we know who's actually talking when the elected person's mouth moves.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by mmmpop on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:01PM (#30378614)
You can say his name, it's not like we're going to cause him to appear if we say his name 3 times.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by mhh__ on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:10PM (#30378712)
You do tend to get Downvoted when you say it.

Depending on the thread I think it's either people annoyed that they're seeing his name at all, and people who don't like seeing their guy getting criticized, but either way the result is the same. HN does generally swing much righter than the rest of the internet, too.

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Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by ska on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:38PM (#30379026)
Perhaps the down votes were just because you called someone out for a perfectly fine phrasing? Referring to him differently wouldn't add any value.
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Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by ska on Thursday February 17, 2022 @07:03PM (#30380528)
If the poster has said "he-who-will-not-be-named", I'd be there right with you and say it was silly. But they just did not do that, that is something you have made happen in your head.

"former president" is perfectly fine. As is "last president", or "trump", or whatever. I think the point wasn't about the specific person who had said those things so much about general level of political discourse in US around this subject...

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by distrill on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:43PM (#30379081)
Yes, that's an example of the obvious pandering that I left room for.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by lkxijlewlf on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:24PM (#30378881)
It isn't that they're in denial. They know full well what is happening. It is just that they are selfish. They're going to get theirs while there is still something to get in the hopes that they'll be able to weather this disaster until they are no more.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by Tuna-Fish on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:03PM (#30378639)
It's entirely possible to wall off the sea and pump river water over it to keep cities dry. The Dutch have been doing it for centuries. All that is required is quite a bit of money and political will.

I don't see Miami ever being abandoned, even if they have to float it.

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:22PM (#30378862)
Anything south of Orlando is basically drained swamp. The bedrock is eroding due to over development (which causes the land to sink) and salt water has encroached on the fresh water aquifer. Miami spent half a billion $ a few years ago on a pump project that is already being overwhelmed.

I would be stunned if Miami survives as anything but a billionaires island 20 years from now.

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by cool_dude85 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:15PM (#30379416)
Miami is built on limestone. The water comes right out of the ground.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by zipswitch on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:46PM (#30379116)
It's not just will and money that are needed. You need competence, actual ability, as well. Otherwise you're just playing at being King Canute while someones get rich.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by Day1 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @06:30PM (#30380185)
Poor King Canute—still misunderstood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Canute_and_the_tide

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by candiddevmike on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:00PM (#30378599)
And everyone who doesn't live near a coastal city is going to pay for the relocation of everyone who continues to live there despite recurring flooding and a bleak future outlook.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by landemva on Thursday February 17, 2022 @06:36PM (#30380242)
Everbody in USA already pays to subsidize flood insurance for rich people who insist on building houses on the coastline.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by dylan604 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:21PM (#30378842)
Sounds like a perfect time to invest in coastal properties then /s
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by _3u10 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:52PM (#30378492)
Yeah, I don't know of any technology capable of holding back nearly a foot of water. Hopefully they figure it out before it's too late for Miami.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by ortusdux on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:58PM (#30378579)
The technology exists, but it wouldn't help Miami. The city is built on porous limestone, so even encircling it with a 50' wall wouldn't do anything.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by zie on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:59PM (#30379889)
Maybe Miami will be the new Venice :)
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by Day1 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @06:35PM (#30380227)
You can find a below sea-level hole inland then redirect the water to it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-scientist-expla...