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Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by chaoz_ on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @06:22AM (#30257183)
Maybe Stackoverflow finally started to aggressively block everything that might "crawl" their data. I'm super tired of all the paraphrased/translated copies in Google results.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by Zobat on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @07:29AM (#30257638)
The Stackoverflow database is available for download, no need to scrape the site.

https://www.brentozar.com/archive/2015/10/how-to-download-th...

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by dspillett on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @09:22AM (#30258674)
Is that dump going to be maintained under the new regime? While they can't redact existing data bumps due to the license those are covered by, they don't have to keep publishing updates. If that happens then scraping becomes required for the copy-spam sites and such.

Though that is a bit conspiracy-theory-y and I expect blocking Tor is more an issue of a small but very active number of people using it to create accounts to post anonymous spam or abuse. For that, which can be a very real problem, I would suggest a more fine-grained block: stop people from those addresses creating accounts, or posting from relatively new (or recently inactive) accounts, or perhaps somewhere in the middle: prevent connection from Tor addresses posting at all, but still let people use the site. That way you still block the abuse, but have less impact on others accessing via Tor.

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by peschkaj on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @09:29AM (#30258765)
We intend to keep publishing data dumps and with the same regularity.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by tenebrisalietum on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @01:54PM (#30262751)
I'm a 70K rep contributor to a Stack Exchange site.

StackExchange is composed of contributions from the Internet at large. I've appreciated over the years how StackExchange took this stewardship very seriously without hoarding it behind paywalls - the ethical thing to do.

One of the reasons I was motivated to contribute is because 10-12 years ago, putting tech questions in Google often led to Experts Exchange, a site that takes contributions from the public and makes you pay to see them. (Really need a StackExchange-type site to take on Pinterest now ...)

So ... no, they should not stop publishing updates. People need to bookmark sites and go directly to them instead of relying on an increasingly broken search engine that's past its heyday.

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by dspillett on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @08:07AM (#30272164)
> I'm a 70K rep contributor to a Stack Exchange site.

Well, if we are whopping them out on the table... 75.1K over the three I've used most, and a few thousand over a couple of others. Been around since the start, even got sent free shirts & bits in the early days for being in the top [what-ever-the-cutoff-was] on SF, SO, & DBA.SE.

> So ... no, they should not stop publishing updates.

I wouldn't mind if they stopped providing those dumps, I was just passing on that others suggest that they could (and by rights, they could, but I doubt they will, as my post (I though) said).

As long as the data stays available (just on the main sites is fine by me) under a CC BY-SA I'll keep contributing. They can't revoke the license for existing content, if they change it for future content (for the avoidance of doubt: I have no reason to believe they have any plans to) or the sites otherwise devolve (like others have in the past with rampant tracking and ads) I'll probably bugger off.

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by bttger on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @06:45AM (#30257328)
In my opinion this is even worse when searching for GitHub issues on Google. I prefer searching for issues on Google but since last year there are so many results of websites that show nothing else than crawled GitHub issues. No idea why they are higher ranked than the original GitHub issues. These results don't link to the original issue on GitHub, are often outdated, have bad UX (e.g. the code snippets), and don't allow participating in the discussion.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by PhantomGremlin on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @07:51AM (#30257780)
No idea why they are higher ranked than the original GitHub issues.

Not to be too cynical about it, but who serves the ads on those sites?

If it's Google Ads, then I think you have your answer as to why they are higher ranked.

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by onionisafruit on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @09:02AM (#30258452)
My theory is github is getting down ranked due to performance. When you view an issue on github the page gets built from mysql queries and can be slow for large issues. gitmemory and the others just serve the content they scraped, so they load much faster.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by stjohnswarts on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @10:38AM (#30259668)
Seems like they would ignore that "performance" parameter for major information sites like github/reddit/stack/etc
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by nomilk on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @08:10AM (#30257928)
Genuinely curious to know now..
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by HWR_14 on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @12:07PM (#30261046)
Or it could be because Google dislikes MS owning so much developer mindspace.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by tessie4 on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @08:27AM (#30258098)
You can use site: or inurl: (or a combination) to constrain the search to GitHub.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by wanderer_ on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @09:43AM (#30258943)
Often just putting the site name (e.g. "github.com") at the end of the query is enough to do that for me.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by technion on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @06:40AM (#30257298)
I don't understand how these crawlers even work. Last week I published a PoC for CVE-2022-0316. The next day you Google that CVE, and a whole bunch of foreign language sites with an exact copy of my blog would show up. My own original content wasn't on the first two pages. I hadn't linked it anywhere at all and Google Analytics shows literally 0 viewers. Yet they found it, scraped it, and had winning SEO. Seems fixed today.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by Godel_unicode on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @10:16AM (#30259342)
> ...Google Analytics shows literally 0 viewers.

This at least makes sense, why run the JavaScript in your scraper? It's easy to identify. What do your webserver access logs say?

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by technion on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @07:29PM (#30266910)
Oh I get that bit, I just meant that was surprised they were able to find it basically immediately. It's not like my blog is high traffic.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by spupe on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @07:13AM (#30257516)
That's pretty crazy. I think Google is currently losing vs these SEO exploiters, at least for some domains such as programming. The fact things switched within a week suggests they are trying to finetune their algorithm to make it less exploitable again.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by redwall_hp on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @01:59PM (#30262822)
Link farming, probably. If you have a network of scraper sites already, you inject links to the posts into other posts. That's one of the motivations behind comment spam as well: it builds links pointing to a site, whether people look at the spam or not.

I don't know how much Ye Olde PageRank still factors into Google results, but I'm assuming it's still a significant factor.

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by is_true on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @07:41AM (#30257723)
Your page got "fixed" because probably got some backlinks.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by southerntofu on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @06:39AM (#30257279)
The problem is with Google not with StackOverflow letting people read their stuff. A search engine which does not prioritize pages with advertisements and broken Google-powered translations (yes the french version of those SO/GH sites are hilarious) will filter that crap out.

I mean anyone who'd like to crawl/scrap a website can do it from home, with the help of friends, or by renting "resential VPN" services for a few bucks a month. Blocking Tor does not prevent scrapping.

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by chaoz_ on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @09:51AM (#30259030)
You will be shocked how many paraphrasing enthusiasts will not finish their implementations, if the first steps require additional expertise / investment.

Google should definitely resolve this problem on their side, but language models got huge and complex. It's hard to tell (especially with their scale) if a website if composed from paraphrased content of 20 other websites.

I'm kinda shocked how successful those "doorway pages" are at reaching the top and how long they live there.

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by petercooper on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @06:38AM (#30257278)
PSA: Anyone who needs a large amount of Stack Overflow data for whatever (legal) reason, they share dumps at https://archive.org/details/stackexchange – and perhaps elsewhere.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by fao_ on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @08:41AM (#30258226)
The license is CC-BY-SA 4.0, so the sites that host copies of their data verbatim are (arguably) legal.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by peschkaj on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @09:36AM (#30258854)
Yup! Mostly legal. We maintain a legal guidance page[1] covering what you can and can't do with the data. I assume our lawyers have been involved, but what do I know?

[1]: https://stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by zozbot234 on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @09:42AM (#30258922)
It depends. The "attribution" requirements can be a bit onerous at times, in ways that might put the most casual and opportunistic reusers of even CC-BY-SA data at some legal risk. (It's of course easier for a legitimate reuser with an actual stake in the data to dot the i's and cross the t's.)
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by oezi on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @07:16AM (#30257555)
There is a ublock origin list which you can import to filter search results:

https://github.com/quenhus/uBlock-Origin-dev-filter

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by stjohnswarts on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @10:43AM (#30259730)
This needs its own blog/HN entry :)
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by imglorp on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @08:29AM (#30258117)
Thank you.

There are 322 SO copycats alone.

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by vient on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @09:49AM (#30259009)
More like 150 but yeah. SO copycat list is taken from https://github.com/arosh/ublacklist-stackoverflow-translatio...
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @11:24AM (#30260339)
It's a shame Google doesn't import that list.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by xxs on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @07:42AM (#30257729)
> their data

The "data" is under creative commons. It does not belong to them.

Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by userbinator on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @09:28AM (#30258750)
Ironically, you can probably reach the copies via Tor and get the information you want there instead.
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by 1337shadow on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @06:27AM (#30257206)
Which don't even link to original contents to look like their content is actually original... Do something about it google please!
Re:Tell HN: Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) is now blocking Tor by flawn on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @08:22AM (#30258042)
I feel this one.