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Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by paxys on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:10PM (#30252056)
How soon do people think we will see his candidacy for President? 2028 is my guess.
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by hotpotamus on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:19PM (#30252166)
Is he eligible? Looking at his bio it doesn't appear so. Also he seems like he'd be happier pulling the strings of a President JD Vance anyway.
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by zls on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:58PM (#30252655)
In the one law class I took, presidential eligibility was the example used to introduce our discussion of "standing". He framed the discussion specifically around a hypothetical Schwarzenegger run. The professor said that although it shouldn't be allowed, if Schwarzenegger actually ran, no one would have standing to sue him, so he would be allowed after all.

The prof spoke in a way that implied this is an accepted truth in the legal community, rather than just his own opinion. But IANAL for a reason, I got a D in that class and maybe he bamboozled me :)

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by deanCommie on Monday February 07, 2022 @06:19PM (#30252892)
This is a surprisingly illustrative anecdote.

America is incredible at "doing the right thing" when push comes to shove - regardless of policy, procedure, or legalese. In so many ways, going through life in the US means people figure out how to help you, unblock you, or ignore hurdles.

Allowing Arnold to become president if he was interested is clearly such thing - no sensible person would think it should be prevented - so it won't.

But unfortunately the whole procedure is not documented, relies heavily on systemic and entrenched privilege, and as the Trump administration revealed, and how the culture has evolved since then, can absolutely be mercilessly abused and taken advantage of by bad actors. The fact that the President could violate dozens of straight up laws, and not be charged with any crime is a mockery of the justice system. It really is "rules for thee, not for me".

As a white male, I find America (and to some degree Canada, which straddles the middleground) very convenient. As opposed to when I lived in Western Europe, and found myself facing an emotionless bureaucrat telling me "I'm sorry, there's nothing I can do."

But I also know a system with unwritten rules is never going to be equal, never mind equitable.

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by imbnwa on Monday February 07, 2022 @11:19PM (#30254860)
Unwritten rules are everything in America
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by webmaven on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:43AM (#30269695)
> Unwritten rules are everything in America

Show me where it says that.

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by telotortium on Tuesday February 08, 2022 @01:39AM (#30255559)
There would definitely be people who could argue standing, however. You could start with their opponents in the general election. More likely I think would be their primary opponents (probably initially at the state level). The Supreme Court could attempt to evade this by calling it a political question outside of the court's jurisdiction (they've done this in denying challenges to gerrymandered maps, although those are different in being acts of the states, rather than contesting an irregular election), or they could in theory deny cert and let a lower court's decision stand, although I think that's unlikely.

(IANAL)

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by JaimeThompson on Monday February 07, 2022 @06:32PM (#30253023)
>The prof spoke in a way that implied this is an accepted truth in the legal community

So the law professor talked like a lawyer? :)

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by paxys on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:28PM (#30252271)
He is eligible if he was born in the US (doesn't look like it) or if either of his parents was a US citizen at the time of his birth. There doesn't seem to be any info online confirming or denying that.
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by grey-area on Monday February 07, 2022 @06:20PM (#30252909)
He’s not stupid enough to run for president, but he will certainly support any authoritarian candidate he thinks he can manipulate.
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by chrchang523 on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:16PM (#30252132)
Like Elon Musk, he wasn't born in the US and is therefore ineligible. (edit: "natural-born citizen" is not as well-defined as I thought, and Ted Cruz qualifies on account of having a US citizen parent at the time of his birth. But it's clear that Thiel doesn't.)
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by palijer on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:23PM (#30252214)
That requirement seems pretty bizarre to myself as a non-US person. Haven't heard of being natural born as a requirement for president before, but seems like another aspect that the US shares with a small list of other countries.

It seems pretty on-brand to be honest though, I wonder why that rule exists and what benefit it provides. The first couple presidents couldn't have met it, so I wonder when it was introduced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidential_qualifica...

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by Thrymr on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:35PM (#30252371)
> I wonder why that rule exists and what benefit it provides. The first couple presidents couldn't have met it, so I wonder when it was introduced.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President" from section 1, Article 2 of the US Constitution (adopted 1789).

There is some legal debate about what "natural born Citizen" means now, but that has not fully been testing in court IIUC.

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by SllX on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:53PM (#30252584)
I think it only really comes up for debate when someone wants to question the eligibility of Presidential candidates for political reasons. I recall a rather minor kerfuffle around McCain’s eligibility (born in the Panama Canal Zone when it was under US Jurisdiction) back in the ‘08 election that was basically meaningless and I think then Senator Obama sponsored a bill that basically clarified this.

There’s two sources of law for determining citizenship though: 1. The Constitution and 2. Laws that Congress passes. If you’re born a citizen according to either of these sources, congrats, you’re a natural born citizen.

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by eruleman on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:30PM (#30252285)
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

The first few presidents were citizens of the US when the Constitution was adopted (previously, the US had been governed by the Articles of Confederation.)

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by harpersealtako on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:39PM (#30252415)
It's interesting because the US also has unconditional jus soli citizenship (if you are born on American soil, no matter what your circumstances, you are granted citizenship). Nearly all major countries in the Americas have jus soli citizenship, but very few countries outside the Americas do.
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by asdff on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:49PM (#30252528)
It was to prevent foreign influence. The first couple presidents all met it, having been born in territory that became the U.S.. Mexico also did similar things with property rights surrounding the end of the Spanish mission era, in effort to remove Spanish influence.
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by hotpotamus on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:52PM (#30252558)
Yep, it seems like a bizarre relic of a bygone era. This actually made me wonder if there's any place else in the government with this requirement. As far as I know, it only applies to the president. But what about the Vice President? He or she could be promoted if the president leaves. Then what about the Speaker of the House (3rd in line and I believe there is literally no requirement for the job; they're not even required to be a member of the house). I'm sure someone's thought through this already and there's a plan in place, but I never had.
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by tevon on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:34PM (#30252344)
This rule was enacted to prevent Alexander Hamilton from becoming president. He also wasn't born in the US. The term "naturalized" wasn't yet well defined.

The first American born president (born after the revolution) was Van Buren, the first 7 were born British citizens!

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by rfw300 on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:43PM (#30252458)
This is a common belief, but it is false. The eligibility provision has an oft-forgotten second clause:

> No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

Hamilton was a citizen at the time of the Constitution’s adoption and was therefore eligible to run for president should he have been so inclined.

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by rospaya on Monday February 07, 2022 @07:04PM (#30253328)
> The first American born president (born after the revolution) was Van Buren, the first 7 were born British citizens!

Van Buren was born in NY, in the US, but was the only president that used English as a second language. Both of his parents were of Dutch descent.

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by jonathankoren on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:48PM (#30252514)
It’s an 18th century solution to the problem of foreign kings.
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by paxys on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:27PM (#30252251)
Being born outside the US doesn't have much to do with it. The requirement is to be a "natural born citizen", and anyone born to a US citizen will qualify, regardless of where in the world that was. It's the same reason why Ted Cruz and John McCain were eligible for the office despite not being born in the US.

I have no idea about Thiel's specific case, and it doesn't seem like there's any info about it online.

Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by dls2016 on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:25PM (#30252232)
“Natural born citizen” is the technical qualifier. Many natural born citizens aren’t born in the US.
Re:Peter Thiel to step down from Meta’s board by strikelaserclaw on Monday February 07, 2022 @07:10PM (#30253370)
he knows no one will vote for him, he might be smart but he is not charismatic at all.