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Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by HWR_14 on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:03PM (#30153474)
Microsoft didn't buy Halo. They bought Bungie, then used them to make Halo. They spin them off, keeping then Halo franchise.

Okay, technically Bungie was working on a RTS game called Halo when MS bought them, but it was after the purchase it shifted genres and found its groove.

In other words, this "echo" isn't really what you are saying.

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by 015a on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:33PM (#30153880)
First of all; the original acquisition is not what I was referring to, but rather: Microsoft's "maintenance" of the Halo IP after Bungie itself left Microsoft's domain, and the formation of a near-entirely new studio (343) to develop it. Ok, they didn't buy the IP at that juncture; they bought a studio to develop an IP they already owned. Use some creativity and you can see the parallels are similar enough.

Second: Do you recall the keynote where Bungie unveiled Halo for the first time... at MacWorld 1999? For reference, Microsoft acquired Bungie in 2000. I've literally never heard the assertion that Halo was intended to be an RTS; my understanding is that it was originally going to be a third person FPS, as the 1999 MacWorld trailer suggests, but was changed to a first person FPS when Microsoft purchased them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eZ2yvWl9nQ

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by steveklabnik on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:43PM (#30154009)
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_Combat_Evolved#Prototype...

The earliest versions were basically built on top of Myth's engine, Bungie's RTS. It then eventually became a third person shooter, and it was such at the MacWorld announcement. It did turn into an FPS after the Microsoft acquisition.

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by kipchak on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:40PM (#30153971)
Halo was originally designed as a RTS, but playing around with it a bit they found it more fun to get the camera down closer, especially driving vehicles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weuRNxpDLUE

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by er4hn on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:15PM (#30153626)
Halo was an FPS and a spiritual successor to an earlier series of theirs called "Marathon". The main characters, weapons, and themes of the original game all skew very closely to Marathon.
Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by rodgerd on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:05PM (#30154329)
I miss the Bungie that pumped out Marathon, Myth, and Oni.

(I will look forward to people who were screaming that console makers mustn't be allowed to buy game authors and studios seamlessly turn a 180 if it favours their tribe.)

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by er4hn on Monday January 31, 2022 @06:10PM (#30156125)
Oni I can pass on ;)

Myth and Marathon were experiences in storytelling for me however. I even have a copy of the GURPS Myth roleplaying guide sitting on my bookshelf behind me that goes more into the lore of the Myth universe.

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by Corrado on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @02:54AM (#30159744)
Me too! I had so much hope for Oni, but the control system drove me nuts. While it looked great I couldn't play it worth a damn. Maybe that was just me.
Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by steveklabnik on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:18PM (#30153676)
There's also tangential evidence that Pathways Into Darkness, Marathon, Halo, and Destiny all exist in the same universe.

And with this recent 30th anniversary event, it also seems like they kind of think of all of their various older IPs to be in a multiverse of some sort.

(And Pathways into Darkness was also an FPS, just like those three Marathon games. Bungie has been doing FPSes for a long time, 100% agree with you.)

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by Fuzzwah on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:11PM (#30153576)
Halo was most certainly an FPS before MS bought Bungie.

https://youtu.be/ebI5lkLRTdg

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by w4rh4wk5 on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:15PM (#30153629)
True, but it was initially supposed to be an RTS, just a bit longer before Microsoft stepped in.
Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by mig39 on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:32PM (#30153867)
Did you watch the video? It was basically complete before Microsoft bought it. They then ported it to Xbox.

It may have been an RTS initially, but when Microsoft bought Bungie, it was already "Combat Evolved" and near release.

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by w4rh4wk5 on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:53PM (#30154169)
Believe me, I don't need to watch that video. I've been there ;)

A lot of development happened right before Combat Evolved got released due to Microsoft injecting a lot of money. It wasn't just an Xbox port of an already finished game. Look at the E3 2000 trailer which is pretty much what has been shown at Macworld the year before. Combat Evolved looked quite different when it came out a year later. Note that Microsoft acquired Bungie in 2000.

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by EA on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:51PM (#30154146)
HALO was originally based on Myth. That is when Halo was briefly (conceptually) an RTS. It evolved into a Third Person Shooter, and finally First Person Shooter. After Bungie was acquired by Microsoft, they had a year to make their game, so they made the decision to start over from the beginning and create Halo as a first person shooter.
Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by mig39 on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:56PM (#30154208)
Honestly, that would have been awesome!

I loved Myth and Myth II. A space-based one would have been great.

I don't understand the timeline, though, as the videos shown at MacWorld in 1999 (before Microsoft), show Halo as a first-person shooter. The video is linked above. I think it was a FPS long before Microsoft was interested. I think Microsoft bought it specifically because of the FPS game.

Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by InitialLastName on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:03PM (#30154305)
I watched the video. The game in that trailer could just as easily have been a tactical RTS with a cinematic camera as a FPS (note the complete absence of first-person shots).
Re:Sony to buy video game maker Bungie in $3.6B deal by mig39 on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:18PM (#30154534)
Right! For sure.

But according to https://www.vice.com/en/article/xwqjg3/the-complete-untold-h...

It was already an FPS by 1998, 2 years before Microsoft was involved, and a year before the video shown above.

They started as an RTS, then decided it was way too much fun to actually drive the vehicles, and the rest is history.

Microsoft definitely helped with the development, but Microsoft bought a FPS game, not an RTS one.