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Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by hungryforcodes on Sunday January 30, 2022 @12:22AM (#30134304)
I find it weird that many cultures have a noon time or afternoon time siesta -- but for some reason the Anglophone cultures don't. Something about the Protestant work ethic? (I know these are in theory secular societies, but the cultural relics remain)

When I was teaching at one of the local SEA universities they had an entire room for lecturers to sleep during the 1.5 hour lunch break. It had double bunk beds maybe 30 or so. It was well used from 12pm to 1:30pm.

I'll tell you -- this was magic. Even just being able to sleep for 30 minutes (after getting lunch and catching up on my phone) between classes was rejuvenating.

I never had that 2pm "nod off", which I did when working in Western style jobs...

My point being this is a kind of bi-phasic sleep.

Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by spaetzleesser on Sunday January 30, 2022 @12:24AM (#30134327)
I think it has to do with temperatures. In some countries it's very hot at noon so working is difficult. Especially with air conditioning.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by KineticLensman on Sunday January 30, 2022 @10:26AM (#30137944)
> I think it has to do with temperatures.

More likely shorter days as you go further North. If you slept at lunchtime until 14:30 there would be less than two hours of usable daylight left during December and January.

[Edit] - This for the latitude of Southern England.

Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by kranner on Sunday January 30, 2022 @01:59AM (#30134726)
Isn't air conditioning intended to solve the too-hot-to-work problem?
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by drewcoo on Sunday January 30, 2022 @03:04AM (#30135012)
A/C is a pretty new invention. Mid-day rest is an older convention.

And it's a matter of social convention at this point rather than a practical solution to a problem. We're social animals and that tends to happen.

Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by hungryforcodes on Sunday January 30, 2022 @10:50AM (#30138177)
My point though being-- even with AC it's a good innovation. We are all chronically short on sleep these days. I'm surprised about the resistance to it in this thread.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by gruez on Sunday January 30, 2022 @12:43PM (#30139242)
>We are all chronically short on sleep these days. I'm surprised about the resistance to it in this thread.

People are short on sleep because they have too much stuff to do, not because there aren't enough opportunities to sleep. Adding an hour of sleep at noon isn't a free lunch (heh). You'll have one less hour of work done during the day, so all else being equal, you'll probably go to sleep 1 hour later and benefits are neutralized.

Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by hungryforcodes on Sunday January 30, 2022 @11:51PM (#30144609)
That's not true though if you were underslept in the first place. You'd just be catching up at your noon nap.

Also it is a free lunch. People sleeping DURING their lunch. I'm not sure how this would add to their workload if they are doing it anyways.

Also now everyone is remote so WHY not have a noon nap?

Even at my last startup which was in the West we had a nap couch and it was in constant use from like 1pm to 3pm.

But as I said - Anglophones seem to like punishing themselves.

Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by warent on Sunday January 30, 2022 @02:07AM (#30134763)
Vast majority of working humans have no AC in their work environment. Highly wealthy counties like the US often forget we're in the luxury minority
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by kranner on Sunday January 30, 2022 @02:17AM (#30134802)
I'm in India, a non-wealthy non-AC too-hot-to-work-at-noon country (for most parts of the country almost all through the year).

I was responding to this sentence:

> In some countries it's very hot at noon so working is difficult. Especially with air conditioning.

I'm confused because it sounds as if GP meant that air conditioning exacerbates the problem of it being too hot to work. The intent of installing AC is definitely to improve productivity that would be lost to the uncomfortable climate.

Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by watwut on Sunday January 30, 2022 @02:34AM (#30134865)
The most likely explanation is that it was an typo error or autocorrect.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by kranner on Sunday January 30, 2022 @02:40AM (#30134903)
That makes sense, thanks.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by roberto2016 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @10:47AM (#30138136)
missed the "without" in the AC statement i think.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by spaetzleesser on Sunday January 30, 2022 @12:58PM (#30139395)
Correct. I am horrible at typing on the phone.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by nine_zeros on Sunday January 30, 2022 @12:49AM (#30134456)
And that sunlight is available abundantly early morning and late evening.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by rdedev on Sunday January 30, 2022 @12:57AM (#30134494)
I studied in a boarding school which had a mandatory meditation time around 2 pm. This was exactly the time when we would me feeling very sleepy. Probably because of peak digestion time after we finished our lunch. Anyways we all would just sleep off in the bench instead of meditating. Really helped us concentrate on the rest of the classes
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by laurent92 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @02:57AM (#30134986)
Did they name it “meditation” because “sleeping at school” is inappropriate in your culture?
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by rdedev on Sunday January 30, 2022 @12:44PM (#30139255)
No. It was an actual meditation session
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by sandworm101 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:48AM (#30137144)
Light. In the global south the days are a little longer. Part of the prodistant work ethic, which comes from northern europe, is based on the far shorter workday in the winter. You dont take naps if you only have eight hours of useful daylight. Even in summer the sun is always lower on the horizon. So too the dramatic shift from summer to winter. Even in high summer no time can be wasted in preparing for winter. The drive to make use of limited time is tied to the seasons.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by donw on Sunday January 30, 2022 @01:54AM (#30134704)
China and Japan would like a word…
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by unmole on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:04AM (#30135850)
About what exactly? I don't know about Japan but post lunch siesta is very much a thing in China. Even employees working 996 schedules take a nap.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by JetAlone on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:31AM (#30189734)
Siestas are a thing in Japan to a limited extent, mostly for blue collar workers, especially ones who drive for a living, in the seat of their vehicle.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by hungryforcodes on Sunday January 30, 2022 @10:52AM (#30138191)
It would be impossible to do it otherwise.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by fouc on Sunday January 30, 2022 @12:49AM (#30134452)
which SEA country/university was that?
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by magnio on Sunday January 30, 2022 @03:19AM (#30135058)
Could be any. A nap at noon isn't just popular; it's ubiquitous in SEA.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by fouc on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @02:06AM (#30159480)
I haven't seen that happening at offices in SEA.
Re:Can medieval sleeping habits fix America’s insomnia? by hungryforcodes on Saturday February 12, 2022 @02:49PM (#30315698)
You haven't been working in Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Burma, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines.

You work in Singapore I assume?

It's hyper westernized.