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Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by twofornone on Thursday January 27, 2022 @01:29AM (#30096940)
>Why not just have an Only Fans, weekly photo video sets, and a decent copywriter and make 10x as much money? Why go through all this work?

I mean, I cant help but agree that you're being a little dishonest here. Without passing judgement on whether what you're doing is right or wrong, a quick glance through the Twitter link in the OP and its quite obvious that you are well endowed and using it to your advantage by wearing revealing clothing. Can we acknowledge that some probably significant proportion of your channel views are at least initially due to your physique and the way you happily show it off?

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by SexyCyborg on Thursday January 27, 2022 @01:49AM (#30097069)
>its quite obvious that you are well endowed and using it to your advantage

Yes, I play the cards I've been dealt.

>by wearing revealing clothing.

No, the clothing and gender expression predates YouTube and is for other reasons, is usually more conservative when I'm filming for YouTube, and is for myself. I've never worn anything for my audience.

>Can we acknowledge that some probably significant proportion of your channel views are at least initially due to your physique

Yes, I’ve come to take pride in it "came for the tits, stayed for the tech". If I happen to look the way I do for reasons other than marketing, being able to encourage technical proficiency in a demographic that was not looking to learn anything is about as good an outcome as I could hope for.

>and the way you happily show it off?

Sort of. I look the way I do for myself, and I don't object to any one else's polite enjoyment of that. As a gay woman I've gone from conflicted to entertained and accepting of it- as might any straight man who found themselves on the receiving end of the support of a large number of gay men, just for being himself and looking how he likes to look. But like our hypothetical straight creator- benefiting from something, it not the same as catering to it.

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by imsaw on Thursday January 27, 2022 @03:10AM (#30097652)
>being able to encourage technical proficiency in a demographic that was not looking to learn anything

Great perspective. Most people (most likely not on HN's highly productive community) find it hard to stay focus following education materials.

Some content creators put soothing bg music, animations, funny jokes. Something to engage. It's an art, be creative of what you have.

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by Borrible on Thursday January 27, 2022 @05:54AM (#30098864)
> Yes, I play the cards I've been dealt.

For what it's worth, you're a great woman, a great tech and a great entertainer.

Some around here apparently wouldn't win the game of life even with a Royal Flush on hand.

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Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by SexyCyborg on Thursday January 27, 2022 @02:59AM (#30097582)
>That statement seems incongruent with getting breast implants/plastic surgery...

Yes, it does seem that way. That's on me until I'm willing to offer a more complete explanation.

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by alexisread on Thursday January 27, 2022 @08:43AM (#30100434)
I'm not 100% sure on this, but when I visited China (and my brother has said similar with Taiwan), the concept of old/existing was blurry - as an example a temple that has been completely reconstructed and doesn't include any of the original material, is still 2000 years old.

I think Terry Pratchett has a similar passage in The Fifth Elephant - this axe, over time may need a replacement head, or the handle may need some work, but it will always be the same axe that my father gave to me [paraphrased].

I guess, applied here, it's a similar thing to knowing you are male in a female body for instance. Morphology of the avatar in your head can be different to your external appearance, ie. you always had large boobs?

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by post_from_work on Thursday January 27, 2022 @07:58PM (#30109405)
>>>Morphology of the avatar in your head can be different to your external appearance, ie. you always had large boobs?

I wonder when the Overton window shifted and we began to accommodate insanity. I liked Dave Chapelle's take on this issue in "Sticks & Stones"[1]: if he walked around behaving as if he was ethnically and culturally Han Chinese, nobody sane anywhere in the world would take him seriously. Imagine the response if he applied for PRC Citizenship on the basis of the "morphology of the avatar in his head". It's totally okay to have A Cups. It's insane to assert "well in my head I thought I had D Cups, so just agree with me and treat me as such."

[1] https://youtu.be/jhJDAI7XaAA

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by alexisread on Sunday February 06, 2022 @06:27PM (#30238177)
I would agree that it would be odd to assert that people treat you like something you physically aren't, but you're missing the point which is the way you view yourself, not the way other people view you.

You are free to have whatever self image you like. >>I've always imagined myself with large boobs, and look, I now have them to fit my self-image, so I consider them part of myself.

That's not asking anything of anyone else, and yes it's totally OK to be whatever shape you like (I'd prefer to be healthy myself) - Naomi's girlfriend seems to prefer not to be hyper-feminine and that's fine too.

Edit: link to her exposition. https://youtu.be/Z9vW_MpXTfs

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by phnofive on Thursday January 27, 2022 @03:40AM (#30097863)
We all play the cards we're dealt, but it can't hurt to try for some extra luck.
Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by xboxnolifes on Thursday January 27, 2022 @03:47PM (#30106403)
Having the opportunity to get implant surgery and deciding to pursue it is still playing your hand. The same way that being born into a scenario having access to computers and deciding to use them is. Or using makeup. Or being born with a healthy enough body to work out for muscle. Etc, etc, etc.
Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by post_from_work on Thursday January 27, 2022 @08:14PM (#30109509)
If that argument (that leveraging any available artificial enhancement is ok) held any conceptual weight, we would embrace PEDs in athletics. We don't. Ask yourself why?
Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by xboxnolifes on Friday January 28, 2022 @12:56AM (#30111113)
I'm confused what your argument is here. How does "playing the hand you were dealt" relate to "embracing PEDs in athletics"?
Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by ghosty141 on Thursday January 27, 2022 @01:40AM (#30097008)
>its quite obvious that you are well endowed and using it to your advantage by wearing revealing clothing

What is "revealing clothing" to you. We are not in the 1900s where it's a crime to show a little ankle. Her clothing is nothing out of the ordinary in many videos.

If you have big boobs people will notice no matter what you wear, youtube shouldn't act different based on your body... If another youtube would exist who has very small "assets" I can assure you nothing would've happened.

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by twofornone on Thursday January 27, 2022 @01:57AM (#30097123)
It's so weird that this is the default response.

Again, I'm not making a moral judgement. But the first three tweets in the linked thread:

1. Bare midriff and tiny shorts 2. Deliberately fully exposed cleavage 3. A tiny spaghetti strap

Wear whatever you want, but don't be surprised when you get sexual attention, and don't pretend that as a public figure who makes money off of eyeballs that you're not deliberately taking advantage of your assets.

It's like we're not allowed to acknowledge that people dress for attention without being accused of puritanism or shaming.

And while we're on the subject, it is disingenuous to ignore the fact that the female figure induces a instinctual physiological and psychological responses in men. Social norms around modest dress may exist for a reason beyond oppression or patriarchy or what have you. It's tens of millions of years of evolution - not quite fair to pretend that revealing clothing does not force an onus onto men to suppress visceral urges.

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by rbanffy on Thursday January 27, 2022 @05:19AM (#30098572)
> the female figure induces a instinctual physiological and psychological responses in men.

No. We are not all that shallow. In order to cause such a reaction there has to be some context, some hint of availability. I like her. I enjoy her videos. I'd like to have a coffee or beer with her. I'd love to be her friend. I'd like to ask her a ton of questions (political, technical, social), but I am not sexually attracted to her. Even if I were, I know I'm not what she likes and that she's not single.

> force an onus onto men to suppress visceral urges.

The universe has no obligation to make it easy for a person not to behave like an animal. That's what the sizeable lump of tissue inside your head is for. It's not a space heater.

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by dr_dshiv on Thursday January 27, 2022 @03:20AM (#30097706)
Yeah, but what about the music video and commercial advertising argument? E g., That sexiness is commonly used in western society? Why single her out?

Also, if it were about the "onus", where does it stop? I'm regularly attracted to women and OBVIOUSLY I have to suppress my visceral urges. Do you want women to wear a burkha?

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by theshrike79 on Thursday January 27, 2022 @02:50AM (#30097534)
There was a video, by her, explaining this years ago. The standard for "sexy" is completely different in China vs USA.

Extremely skimpy clothing isn't culturally "sexy" or frowned upon in Chinese culture as it is in USA.

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by nottorp on Thursday January 27, 2022 @05:14AM (#30098539)
> Wear whatever you want, but don't be surprised when you get sexual attention

(Lack of) Self control much?

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by iamtedd on Thursday January 27, 2022 @03:35AM (#30097821)
As a gay man, I most certainly do not!

Please stop making such pseudo-intellectual sweeping statements.

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by anonAndOn on Thursday January 27, 2022 @03:01AM (#30097589)
>the female figure induces a instinctual physiological and psychological responses in men

Yikes. That's some incestuous ideology. Thankfully, there are many men who do not suffer from such instincts.

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by alpaca128 on Thursday January 27, 2022 @04:28AM (#30098206)
> its quite obvious that you are well endowed and using it to your advantage

And what exactly is the issue with that?

Every model in advertising & on Instagram, every actress, and many more do the same. And so far I haven't seen a reason why that's supposed to be bad, aside from religious fundamentalist nutcases.

Re:Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube by artdigital on Thursday January 27, 2022 @02:35AM (#30097422)
The amount of downvotes you got for this comment is IMO a part of the issue and undeserved. Gender and sex aren't taboo topics, and pointing out that someone might or might not use their attractiveness to their advantage is part of the discussion and totally reasonable to do, without having to start with "what is sexist", "what is male oppression", "what is sexual discrimination against woman" etc. We're all driven by instinct, and sex is part of that. If someone is presented attractive, they will (usually) get more views, which is also why attractive people are used as models

She herself commented in a different reply and agreed to some of the points, yet this comment is getting downvoted to hell

(Disclaimer that I don't know Naomi Wu and have never seen a video of hers. I'm replying based on the context of the OP link and reading through replies)