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Re:AirPods don't “just work” by TylerE on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @02:38PM (#30090581)
I have to wonder if it's time to just say screw Bluetooth, and deploy a new standard that's specially oriented for audio.

Requirements aren't crazy. It just needs to support uncompressed 96/24, full duplex.

Re:AirPods don't “just work” by bsder on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:23PM (#30092099)
Except that requirement IS crazy--when you put all the other stuff around it.

Must work at 2.4Ghz--even in the face of 200 WiFi access points and 3 times that number of devices.

Must stay in sync to within a millisecond ... even though there is a large bag of RF absorbing water in between them.

Should work on a battery smaller than a thumbnail.

Should process audio but not generate enough heat that you notice it in your ear.

I can go on. The engineering requirements are quite severe.

... for something that we can do with a 10 cent wire, ironically.

Re:AirPods don't “just work” by Dylan16807 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @10:52PM (#30095980)
> Must work at 2.4Ghz--even in the face of 200 WiFi access points and 3 times that number of devices.

At low range and less than 1/100 the speed of wifi.

> Must stay in sync to within a millisecond

If you have a working data connection at all, that level of sync is trivial. It only takes a few bits to align things, and they use pretty big buffers.

> even though there is a large bag of RF absorbing water in between them

That's hard.

> Should work on a battery smaller than a thumbnail.

That part is quite hard. But also it doesn't apply to over-ear headphones.

> Should process audio but not generate enough heat that you notice it in your ear.

I'm skeptical of that part being hard. How many milliwatts do those codecs take? Also once you add the battery constraints then the heat levels solve themselves.

Re:AirPods don't “just work” by jonwinstanley on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @05:24PM (#30092953)
So true, we take the complexity for granted. It's actually a really hard problem.
Re:AirPods don't “just work” by climb_stealth on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @07:02PM (#30094017)
Bluetooth / BLE 5.2 is bringing in a lot of functionality and standardisation for audio scenarios. Hopefully this will improve things.

Previously there hasn't really been much official support and implementations are messy and differ across platforms.

Source: have worked with various BLE stacks. Getting this stuff working well is difficult. I have much respect for companies that actually get it to work reliably.

Funnily enough, I try to avoid Bluetooth as much as possible and everything is wired on my setups.

Re:AirPods don't “just work” by smoldesu on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:38PM (#30091433)
I know some people have experimented with WiFi direct for that, but I'm not really familiar with it's limitations besides "you have to be hooked up to a router for it to work". One thing's for certain though, if someone made a pair of lossless cans that could "find" devices over arbitrary WiFi networks, I'd probably switch just for the improvement in latency alone.
Re:AirPods don't “just work” by Gigachad on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @05:01PM (#30092610)
Wifi has an ad-hoc mode which doesn't require a router.
Re:AirPods don't “just work” by fphhotchips on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @05:24PM (#30092958)
Ah yes, the famously well supported and not at all prone to weird bugs Wifi Ad-hoc mode.
Re:AirPods don't “just work” by vineyardmike on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @06:49PM (#30093886)
I've long wished for a Wifi headset that you could Airplay/cast to
Re:AirPods don't “just work” by oynqr on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:35PM (#30092257)
Why waste a bunch of bandwidth on 96 kHz when 44.1 is fine?
Re:AirPods don't “just work” by pahomov on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:38PM (#30091437)
And zero delay, please. I'll take two.
Re:AirPods don't “just work” by chipotle_coyote on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @05:14PM (#30092822)
I don't think you need a new standard for that -- UWB radios, like Apple's already-deployed U1 chip, have the bandwidth to easily be bandying about 96/24 FLAC/ALAC files, at the least. (Personally, I'd settle for topping out at 48/16 lossless ALAC.)
Re:AirPods don't “just work” by chowells on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:27PM (#30092149)
You can hear 48kHz tones? Wow.