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Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by PaulHoule on Sunday January 23, 2022 @05:55PM (#30051430)
With Google’s nonexistent customer service I’d be afraid of being locked out for any arbitrary reason and having no recourse no matter what recovery procedures I prepared for.

Contrast that to my bank where I can go to the branch, show ID, and get problems logging in resolved.

Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by josephg on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:17PM (#30051664)
A plug from a very satisfied customer: I pay $5/month for Fastmail. I've emailed support before and reached a human within hours. They helped me with my problem, because it was their job and I'm paying them to do it.

Email is too important to rely on a free service which has a history of shutting people out, at any time, for any reason.

Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by stavros on Sunday January 23, 2022 @08:06PM (#30052422)
I prepay for the 3-year package and it comes out to $3/mo or something. I'm not going to stop using email, and Fastmail is fantastic so I'm not going to switch away, so it's worth prepaying.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by jacob019 on Sunday January 23, 2022 @07:21PM (#30052147)
Yep, Fastmail is great. Google cannot be trusted. With google you are the product, not the customer. The Fastmail service and features are better than gmail as well.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by drra on Sunday January 23, 2022 @07:57PM (#30052359)
Still the problem with Fastmail is the same as with Google. Leaning on 3rd party service that you have no control of. There are so many things that could go wrong there, they can be hacked, go bankrupt, closed by authorities, insided. Everyone should have an appropriate personal disaster recovery plan that includes stuff like recovering from loss of service supplier.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by danielheath on Sunday January 23, 2022 @08:05PM (#30052413)
This is a false equivalence.

Life on a crowded planet depends on third parties; choosing vendors well is a critical life skill.

Fastmail have a long-standing reputation for treating customers right; certainly not a reputation google shares.

Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by coffeefirst on Sunday January 23, 2022 @08:28PM (#30052590)
Well, there's always a risk profile no matter what you do. But the risk profile with a company that's obsessed with AI and doesn't believe in having any customer support is much higher than one that you pay and has very good customer support.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by orangepurple on Sunday January 23, 2022 @09:01PM (#30052799)
Fastmail has been extremely responsive to any random minor issues that have cropped up for me or the several people I got to transition to their service over the last 7 years.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by tomjen3 on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:54AM (#30054148)
If you have your own domain it doesn't matter much. You can always move your domain to a better host.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by ocdtrekkie on Sunday January 23, 2022 @07:19PM (#30052140)
Reasonably confident one of my support tickets even got answered by the CEO once. They're a shockingly human-focused company.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by brongondwana on Sunday January 23, 2022 @08:13PM (#30052481)
Yeah, likely - I've answered a few tickets here and there :)
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by Hard_Space on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:26AM (#30054010)
That's really cool! I'm just now migrating my Gmail-led life (15 years) to Fastmail, and it has been great so far.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by adamrmcd on Sunday January 23, 2022 @11:56PM (#30053880)
So happy to see this. I've started the transition of my 25-year-old .org domain from Gsuite legacy to you tonight :)
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by srjilarious on Sunday January 23, 2022 @07:37PM (#30052230)
Just wanted to +1 this. I've been a happy customer of Fastmail since ~2013, never had a single issue, great service
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by steelframe on Sunday January 23, 2022 @09:36PM (#30053055)
> never had a single issue

Fastmail was blown offline by a couple of DDoS attacks recently. Both of them impacted my ability to access Fastmail, but I suppose you didn't happen to try to access your account during those attacks.

Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by tomjen3 on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:54AM (#30054145)
Fastmail is Australian. That is a nonstarter if you want any amount of privacy.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by knob on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:42PM (#30051880)
Ditto.

I'm a satisfied Fastmail paying user for years

Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by PaulHoule on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:45PM (#30051917)
Me 2
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by blendergeek on Sunday January 23, 2022 @08:07PM (#30052437)
What do you do if Google buys Fastmail?
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by CRConrad on Monday January 24, 2022 @01:40PM (#30061952)
Switch to something else ASAP.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by pronlover723 on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:27PM (#30051754)
FYI, google has customer service if you're paying them. I pay $6 a month for gsuite. I've contacted customer service 3 times. Got them instantly.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by matheusmoreira on Sunday January 23, 2022 @07:15PM (#30052120)
I've read stories here on HN about non-existent Google customer support from people who worked at companies that were paying Google millions.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by markdown on Sunday January 23, 2022 @08:35PM (#30052637)
I live in a third world country on little island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, yet have had Google respond within minutes every time I've had an issue (multiple times over the past decade). They have provided support both by phone and chat. I pay them 2 figures a month.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by mike503 on Sunday January 23, 2022 @10:04PM (#30053238)
+1 on this. I’ve actually had them call me back proactively multiple times on a simple case too. Obviously it’s all anecdotal. But I have been happy with them (when paid)
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by zozbot234 on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:43PM (#30051897)
They're supposed to have paid customer service for non-business users too if you pay for Google One, no idea how effective that is.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by evandale on Sunday January 23, 2022 @07:36PM (#30052228)
I was wondering that as well because I have Google One. When I go to the support page it claims 24/7 support for phone and chat in 2-3 minutes and e-mail support within 24 hours.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by markdown on Sunday January 23, 2022 @08:36PM (#30052651)
I have no idea what Google One is, but I get that level of support for the $12/month I pay them for Google Suite and have had great support experiences multiple times over the past decade.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by smileybarry on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:34AM (#30058891)
If you have a Pixel, there's also chat + phone support in the help menu, though I'm not sure whether they handle account issues. (I used it a couple times because of, you guessed it, hardware issues)
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by hilbert42 on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:35PM (#30051821)
"With Google’s nonexistent customer service..."

What's needed is enough of these cases to bring a class action against Google.

It's over a decade since I've used a Google account and I was similarly ignored even back then.

Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by dumbfounder on Sunday January 23, 2022 @07:49PM (#30052307)
I have a few thousand dollars I earned with Adsense a bunch of years ago. They suspended my account and prevented me from getting the money. Every now and then I get a letter from some auditor that says I can claim the money. Just need to login to my google account. Needless to say google customer service hasn’t helped. Definitely need some class action suits to change their behavior, and I hate class action suits.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by hilbert42 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:44AM (#30074031)
Exactly. But don't hold your breath waiting.
Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by gerdesj on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:12PM (#30051608)
"With Google’s nonexistent customer service"

Quite. If you play the game then all is well but if you don't then you are given very short shrift and no recourse to a higher power or anything at all.

There is very little oversight. If you fall afoul of the "algorithm" or whatever bollocks is running the show, then you have to fall back on calling them out on the socials. Get enough traction on that and lo: "soz, lol, we failed here but your <whatevs> is important to us ... in this case ... etc ..."

Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by jck on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:03PM (#30051514)
I personally had a great experience with google support when I once stupidly locked myself out of my account. The whole thing was resolved in about 3 days.

However, google customer service is definitely erratic since loads of other people have had bad experiences. The best thing to do if you're using Gmail is to enable 2fa and backup the recovery codes offline and somewhere safe. This could probably get you into your account without needing to talk to support.

Re:Ask HN: Gmail account security by jiggawatts on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:11PM (#30051602)
I have never heard of anyone anywhere ever being able to access Google support once they were locked out -- you need to be logged in to access what little tech support they offer.