Depending on where they're moving from, they might take a pay cut.. Ohio is very cheap to live in. New Albany is not particularly exciting, but nearby Columbus is a nice vibrant city, not the end of the earth. OSU is a definitely good asset for Intel, they put out 2k engineering degrees a year.

I hope this spurs a nice tech ecosystem for Ohio--it's been dominated by insurance and medicine for a long time.

> I'd imagine most people would want a pretty significant pay raise to move to somewhere like Ohio

Yeah. The region isn't known to attract or retain tech talent.

> Depending on where they're moving from, they might take a pay cut.. Ohio is very cheap to live in

The thing with Cost of Living is that the biggest expense is typically housing. And if you bought the house, it means the biggest expense is... building equity into an asset you can sell afterward.

Keep in mind the engineer who purchased a 2 million house in Palo Alto can sell it for two million, and then move to Ohio to a much cheaper house purchased in cash. The reverse isn't true.

I think the region has been attracting talent in the remote shift. Columbus has tens of thousands of software developers. Certainly not on the same scale as the bay but we are here. Lots of insurance and finance. VC influx from former coast vcs at Drive Capital and the folks at Rev1 have been pumping cash and resources into the local startup scene. CoverMyMeds/Root/Olive were the recent unicorns.

It might not be the well known bay/NYC/Austin but it has a vibrant scene for the population.

given that over the last 2 years we've all been trained to live like hermits I wonder who is going to be bothered about lack of city amenities? You can still jog around the block and walk your dog but large public gatherings (big city specialty) isn't much of a draw any more.

Nitpick: Small and medium, not just large public gatherings, and a larger variety of them, are also a big city draw. But one of the biggest big city draws is the large variety of employment -- not just for you, but your kids. You don't know what career they'll go into and they're more likely to be able to do it while staying near the metro area they grew up in if it's a large one with a good large varied job market, as opposed to having to choose between career and staying near family. Obviously remote/hybrid work makes that a little easier, but a lot of stuff still has to be done on site, it's still a competitive advantage to be able to choose between local AND remote jobs as opposed to ONLY remote jobs because your hometown is so small, and hybrid doesn't really make metro areas irrelevant, it merely expands their size, much as highways and commuter trains once did 50 and 100 or so years ago.

Local businesses and restaurants, especially having a lot of variety and choice for each, are big draws for big cities. I'd thought about moving to suburbia for a larger property but I'd really have nothing to do all day beyond peter around my larger house. I wouldn't be able to walk to all the things I walk to from my place now, from businesses and stores but also hiking and parks, and especially informal city stuff like the people selling tacos or fruit on the sidewalk. I would miss out on a lot of hobbies I engage in that wouldn't be well supported in an area with a smaller population. Tons of little services I rely on only really work at scale with a big city population, both from private companies and services offered by the city itself (like the free compost program I exploit heavily).

This is all stuff I've been doing or using constantly even with the pandemic. Some stuff like taking advantage of public amenities like hiking trails have become an even stronger habit of mine, thanks to the pandemic. I'm one to opt to walk to the local store, feel a product in my hands and decide to buy it, vs ordering from Amazon, something you can only do if you live somewhere dense enough to sustain these local stores. Even getting an uber to come out to a Columbus suburb is going to be a process; they are probably going to just deny your ride if you aren't doing an easy couple mile bar hop around OSU or the Short North/downtown area or going to the airport.

sounds like you're living in a bubble. people in NYC are out and about socializing. not living like a hermit. there's like 50 dance events every weekend.

Even in the most closed-down part of the pandemic, getting some takeout was a nice way to make yet another evening stuck at home into at least somewhat of an 'event,' silly as that seems.

This may be true for you but come to any major city and there are large events every single night. It's back to pre-covid. Every bar in NYC is packed, concerts are back. I went to see 4 shows last weekend.

> I'd imagine most people would want a pretty significant pay raise to move to somewhere like Ohio

Cost of living is low relative to the west coast and high relative to a lot of places in Asia, so it really depends on who you're talking about.

Rent in Columbus appears to be roughly comparable to Tokyo: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...

Those numbers are incredible. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that a lot of what we're talking about when we say "Columbus" is suburbs. And the plant Intel is building is even in a different county.

That's fair, and Japanese apartments also tend to be smaller, for sure.

Nevertheless, Tokyo is a metro of 40 million people, with national importance that's equivalent to slamming NYC, LA, and SF together into one region. That its rent has managed to stay this low is a result of zoning that's practically the opposite of the US: density by default, rather than density as exception.

For now.

I’ve travelled to enough cities that it is basically an amusing part of my checklist to hear why Area Man is mad about housing prices going up.

I could procedurally generate possible scapegoats at this point.

The nice thing about where they've located that Intel site, purely in terms of housing cost, is that you can get there quickly from plenty of cheap small towns. I'd live in Columbus if I worked there, but you could certainly go in the other direction without too much of a commute.

"Area Man" - love it. Gonna use that from now on.

Columbus is pretty nice tbh.

Any salary in semi space in US is better than $34k-$40k per year for a physics/engineering PhD level worker of moderate experience in Taiwan.

The bigger question is why none of these $34k a year PhDs did move to USA before. I bet, even a floor sweeper at an Intel fab gets more.

Sure USA workers are probably better off but in USA there would be 6k in deduction for Kaiser Healthcare family plan plus up to 3k out of pocket; then there are the additional dental costs; employee likely must own a car (no Taipei transport); deal with potentially higher income, sales, and property tax; much higher child-care cost; schools for children in many areas may be of lower quality or more expensive; the rate of gun crime, gun suicide, and drug use is higher; etc etc

> I bet, even a floor sweeper at an Intel fab gets more.

A floor sweeper delivering max 1 particle per m^2.

The US could issue special visas for workers in chip fabrication fields, but that'll probably anger our ally Taiwan. There's also top workers in South Korea and Japan, other US allies.

US visa policy is slow, apparently pew found there are 700,000,000 people interested in immigrating to the US, open the gates!

I also assumed tOSU and the Columbus area would be a draw.

Having a big university in a more urban setting is very nice (posting from the Twin Cities with the University of Minnesota centrally located).

I bet some OSU grad students will get some nice stipends out of this, too. Win/win.