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Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:13AM (#29978518)
The only problem is that—ironically for a thread about the problems of DRM—this forces stores to implement some type of DRM scheme. GOG can't reasonably offer as generous a refund policy as Steam, because once you've downloaded a game, there's no way to give it back.
Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by throaway46546 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:17AM (#29978560)
Ironically GOG has an even more generous refund policy.

>You may request a refund for a product up to 30 days after purchase, even if it was downloaded, launched, and played.

Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:19AM (#29978587)
Yes, but reportedly if you do this more than a few times they'll get upset with you.
Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by josefx on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:31AM (#29978735)
I would expect that there is a problem on your end if you have to refund everything you buy. I can't remember the last time I bought something refund worthy, thought I was tempted the last time I bought a game on steam that required uplay.
Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @09:34AM (#29979689)
I suppose it depends on what the purpose of the refunds are. For example, many online clothing retailers will encourage you to buy more clothing than you need so you can try it on at home, and return whatever you don't like.

A lot of people definitely treat Steam's refund system this way, and Steam's automated refund process seems built to encourage it. You could also make a strong case that this is better for everyone, since consumers are more likely to take a chance on a game they're not sure about. On the other hand, it's a problem for games that are designed to be less than two hours—and it does basically require a DRM implementation.

Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by Fnoord on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @09:42AM (#29979837)
When Rocket League, a game I never played, ditched support for macOS I asked for a refund. I described how I disliked that they removed support for macOS. I wouldn't play Rocket League on my MBP, mind you, but I do have Steam installed on it. I got a refund, no questions asked (though I did buy it on sale, judging by the amount I got refunded). Steam doesn't need DRM to figure out how long a game is being played, btw. Steam tracks that without DRM, too.
Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @10:53AM (#29980959)
> Steam tracks that without DRM, too.

Yes and no. They can track play time when you launch a game through the Steam client, and they can use DRM to enforce launching games through the Steam client. If you launch one of the few DRM-Free Steam games without using Steam, your play time won’t increase.

GOG also tracks play time if you launch a game via GOG Galaxy. The difference is, every single-player game in their catalog can also be played without GOG Galaxy (and indeed, this is explicitly why I buy games from GOG—I don’t like clients, I just want an executable).

Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by baud147258 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @12:02PM (#29982054)
> the difference is, every single-player game in their catalog can also be played without GOG Galaxy

From my (admittedly limited) experience with GOG games and Galaxy, only games downloaded via the GOG website (with 'offline backup game installers') can be launched without Galaxy; games installed with Galaxy will force Galaxy to be running alongside it

Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by crtasm on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @03:45PM (#29985502)
I recently installed Galaxy and used it to install 4 games from my library, testing now they all load up without Galaxy running.
Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by baud147258 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @06:28PM (#29987654)
You're right (and the parent too); I was using the game shortcuts in my start menu, but I checked and those shortcuts point toward the Galaxy launcher (with additional information on which game to launch), so I was launching Galaxy at the same time as the game. When I used directly, the game executables don't start Galaxy.
Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by FreeFull on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @11:04AM (#29981162)
I believe Rocket League was a special case, in that they offered refunds for everybody who bought it to play on Linux/Mac, no matter how many hours of it they have played.
Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by everyone on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @11:38AM (#29981691)
"Steam tracks that without DRM"

Steam is DRM

Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by baud147258 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @11:57AM (#29981973)
Some games sold via Steam don't integrate with the Steam APIs, so once it's installed, if launched directly with the executable, it won't force Steam to be running alongside it. So in _some_ cases, Steam isn't the DRM.
Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by da_chicken on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:37AM (#29978815)
I would hope so. It's easy to finish a game in 30 days, so the system is ripe for abuse.

Assuming that the games have progression achievements, GOG can easily see (a) how much time you spent in game, and (b) how far you got. If you choose to abuse the system, you're going to lose the privilege.

Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by baud147258 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @12:09PM (#29982171)
if you play using one of their offline game installer and not via their Galaxy launched, GOG won't see the achievements and so can't track the game time. But I'd think GOG would be tracking abuse of their system (though if one really want to get GOG games for free, since they don't have any DRMs a lot of them are available for free on the web).
Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by BlueTemplar on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:32AM (#29978759)
Used to be the case for Steam with their official "no refunds" policy, but unofficial "you get one refund" policy..?

But is it just a rumour ? How many times is too many ?

Re:You cannot play Diablo 2 resurrected after 30 days of bei... by MomoXenosaga on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @03:59PM (#29985718)
I think that's reasonable. If you abuse the refund system you should get banned.

But I don't think that it will happen a lot because piracy is already incredibly easy with GOG. If you want a free game why bother with buying it at all?