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Re:Let's Settle This by Traster on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:09PM (#29867829)
Gif vs jif? Isn't that like asking "Do you pronounce it like it's pronounced or like a different word is pronounced"
Re:Let's Settle This by thebuzzsaw on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:25PM (#29867946)
Nah. People don't get to change the rules. I can't tell you my name is spelled K-Y-L-E and insist it is pronounced "Mark". GIF is a crappy image format. JIF is peanut butter.
Re:Let's Settle This by bener on Sunday January 09, 2022 @07:04PM (#29868868)
Craig in the USA is "Creg", and in other countries it's "Crayg".

Language is constantly evolving.

Re:Let's Settle This by iainmerrick on Sunday January 09, 2022 @08:03PM (#29869296)
That one is extremely weird (and distracting if you happen to be talking about a Craig).

I assume they just don’t notice the difference, like with marry/merry/Mary.

Re:Let's Settle This by KerrAvon on Sunday January 09, 2022 @10:50PM (#29870380)
Where in the USA are you hearing “Creg?” I’ve never heard it pronounced that way.
Re:Let's Settle This by SamBam on Sunday January 09, 2022 @10:53PM (#29870404)
I'm in New England and have only ever heard it pronounced Creg.

Wikipedia agrees that this is common: "In North America it is often pronounced with a short vowel sound /krɛɡ/, as in "egg"" [1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_(given_name)

Re:Let's Settle This by quadrifoliate on Sunday January 09, 2022 @09:15PM (#29869805)
> I can't tell you my name is spelled K-Y-L-E and insist it is pronounced "Mark"

Not the same thing at all. This is more like someone following different pronunciation rules insisting that your name as spelled is pronounce "Kee-lay"; and if you actually want "Kaa-il", you should spell it K-A-I-L instead. It kind of makes sense that way too, as long as the rules are somewhat consistent in their version.

If the creator wanted to name it after Jif, the extension and name should have both been JIF. Putting in a G instead of a J is begging to create confusion about the pronunciation.

Re:Let's Settle This by robbedpeter on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:43PM (#29868135)
My name is Blarfengar, spelled S-M-I-T-H.
Re:Let's Settle This by throw0101a on Sunday January 09, 2022 @06:47PM (#29868713)
> My name is Blarfengar, spelled S-M-I-T-H.

Are you from Wales?

Re:Let's Settle This by toyg on Sunday January 09, 2022 @08:05PM (#29869313)
Nah, probably from Ireland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVaHvRLlHr0 "My name contains seven silent letters"...
Re:Let's Settle This by varajelle on Sunday January 09, 2022 @06:38PM (#29868648)
I didn't know how to answer this question since I pronunce "gif" and "jif" the same. Of course I pronunce "gif" "gif" that's a tautology.
Re:Let's Settle This by mdoms on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:36PM (#29868051)
Is it pronounced "gist" or "jist"? "Gem" or "jem"? "Giraffe" or "jiraffe"?
Re:Let's Settle This by tremon on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:49PM (#29868198)
Is it pronounced "beard" or "heard"? "Tear" or "tear"? "Grieve" or "sieve"? "Lover" or "clover"? "Device" or "crevice"?

You're implying that there should be a logical correspondence between how English words sound and how they're spelled. I'm not convinced that is true.

Re:Let's Settle This by mdoms on Sunday January 09, 2022 @08:58PM (#29869672)
No I'm implying the exact opposite.
Re:Let's Settle This by Traster on Sunday January 09, 2022 @06:35PM (#29868617)
That's actually quite funny, I would say gist is pronounced jist but only because it's clearly a play on the word "jist" in the first place. Like a branded version of a generic term - like tumblr where we all know it's actually tumbler rather than tumblr but with a different pronounciation due to copyright.
Re:Let's Settle This by chrismorgan on Sunday January 09, 2022 @07:21PM (#29869004)
Gist is a word. Jist is a misspelling of gist or just, no more.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=gist%2Cjist&ye... makes me wonder just what happened around 1840. I suspect https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Why_the_Little_Frenchman_Wear... (uses jist regularly as a misspelling of just) may have something to do with it.

Re:Let's Settle This by sdenton4 on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:40PM (#29868098)
Gingko or jingko? Given our jiven? Give or jive? Gill or Jill? Giddy or jiddy?

Both patterns exist in the language.

Re:Let's Settle This by OldTimeCoffee on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:44PM (#29868140)
> Give or jive?

These are both words pronounced really differently, though. Give is a hard 'g' short 'i', jive is a 'j' and a long 'i'.

I'd like to add 'Gaol' or 'Jail'? Debra vs Zebra (These are pronounced differently in the US).

Re:Let's Settle This by mdoms on Sunday January 09, 2022 @08:59PM (#29869679)
> Both patterns exist in the language.

Yes that is my point.

Re:Let's Settle This by fouc on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:28PM (#29867970)
Haha, it's totally trolling us. You can tell because of the little icon for the peanut butter
Re:Let's Settle This by yccs27 on Monday January 10, 2022 @04:53PM (#29883221)
I'd say Sean is pronounced >Shawn<, not >Sean<, so there's that.
Re:Let's Settle This by jffry on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:24PM (#29867930)
Yeah a better option would be "like Gift" or "like Jiffy"
Re:Let's Settle This by BugsJustFindMe on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:35PM (#29868031)
A more better option would be "like Gin or like Ginkgo" because it makes it obvious that the "gift has a hard G, therefore..." people have made a mistake.

So many people come up with so many fake rules for why it should have a hard G, but there are only two real rules for names, and, yes, GIF is a name (of a format). 1) If the named thing can't speak for itself, the people who named it dictate how the name is pronounced. 2) If it can speak for itself, it dictates. Nobody who isn't the named thing or its namer(s) gets to say how its name is pronounced regardless of what they think of the spelling.

Re:Let's Settle This by mypalmike on Sunday January 09, 2022 @09:26PM (#29869883)
There are only 2 rules for making up arbitrary rules on the internet. 1) The person making up the rule can demand the rule be followed. 2) People will do what they want regardless of the earnestness of the arbitrary internet rule maker.
Re:Let's Settle This by ZeroGravitas on Sunday January 09, 2022 @07:17PM (#29868976)
Gin derives from Jenever and Wikipedia suggests the Dutch pronounced it differently. It's mispronounciation all the way down.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenever

Re:Let's Settle This by bener on Sunday January 09, 2022 @07:03PM (#29868856)
In my opinion this is only true until the "unplanned" usage becomes mainstream. Language is always evolving. Once the majority is using the g sound from "gift" not "gin", the majority rule is correct, even though they would have been initially incorrect.

Consider the changes of people's names as they migrated around the world. In NZ, we pronounce Craig as "Crayg", in the US they pronounce it "Creg", which I struggle to make sense of, but that doesn't make it wrong. There are better examples than Craig but that was the first one that came to mind.

Re:Let's Settle This by iainmerrick on Sunday January 09, 2022 @08:06PM (#29869322)
but that doesn't make it wrong

I agree with everything you said except that bit, it’s megawrong

Re:Let's Settle This by bener on Sunday January 09, 2022 @08:47PM (#29869591)
You mean that saying Craig->Creg is wrong? It's always bothered me and it's very jarring, but if you grew up being called Creg, then it wouldn't be wrong. But it sounds so wrong to me.

I feel like it doesn't make sense, because then Greg should be spelled Graig, but that's the whole point, language evolves in an inconsistent way, and the only defining point of correct pronunciation is really "how do the majority of people say it", and that is often only a regional thing too.

Either way, the assertion that because something is a name it cannot evolve in pronunciation is easily disproved.

Re:Let's Settle This by iainmerrick on Monday January 10, 2022 @03:57AM (#29872105)
I’m mostly being facetious (but only mostly)
Re:Let's Settle This by dalmo3 on Sunday January 09, 2022 @07:54PM (#29869243)
At least you don't say it "Creag" as with Air NZ :D
Re:Let's Settle This by bener on Sunday January 09, 2022 @08:47PM (#29869593)
Maybe I'll start now!
Re:Let's Settle This by thaumasiotes on Sunday January 09, 2022 @06:57PM (#29868794)
> because it makes it obvious that the "gift has a hard G, therefore..." people have made a mistake.

That's obvious anyway; gift is one word (well, also give) swamped in a sea of other gi- words.

And gift is a very strange one. What is it, a loan from Norse? You'd think, if it were a native word, that it would have turned into something more like "yift", the way we see in e.g. day, I, or yard.

Re:Let's Settle This by sethammons on Sunday January 09, 2022 @10:16PM (#29870180)
Yard -> Gard/Jard -> Garden. Mind blown.
Re:Let's Settle This by thaumasiotes on Monday January 10, 2022 @01:14PM (#29878976)
English has a few words taken from Norse that also maintain native equivalents. See also ship / skiff[1]; shirt / skirt.

[1] This one's not Norse.

Re:Let's Settle This by xdennis on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:36PM (#29868042)
Or, "Do you pronounce 'GIF' like 'giant/ginger/gibbon' or incorrectly?
Re:Let's Settle This by thaumasiotes on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:41PM (#29868107)
> Or, "Do you pronounce 'GIF' like 'giant/ginger/gibbon' or incorrectly?

...you are aware that "gibbon" isn't pronounced with /dʒ/?

Re:Let's Settle This by bee_rider on Sunday January 09, 2022 @07:41PM (#29869141)
I think a better option would be, "Like Gila or like dagga?"
Re:Let's Settle This by pcthrowaway on Sunday January 09, 2022 @07:34PM (#29869099)
Is it smooth or crunchy?
Re:Let's Settle This by dalmo3 on Sunday January 09, 2022 @07:51PM (#29869224)
Gif if crunchy.