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Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by tsol on Sunday January 09, 2022 @04:56PM (#29867716)
My experience was the opposite. In fact, after taking medication to fix it I later stopped because of this naturalistic fallacy. I knew it was bunting some of my emotions and I figured whatever the drugs are doing I can do with lifestyle changes. 10 years later, a daily habit of exercise and cold showers, a variety of daily natural supplements like turmeric and magnesium, and a career later.. I was no different.

I'd wonder why everything felt so hard for me, why I was so stressed out all the time. And how it could be that no one else seemed to be horrified by the existential realities of life. At the same time I wanted to participate in life so I could help change things for the better-- but damn every morning was a new battle. And then I decided to start the same medication again, and boom.

About a year later and I feel normal. It's amazing. I'm like.. is this how people feel all the time? You guys just wake up and don't dread the day? Lol it's almost funny now. They blunt my emotions.. but turns out i was hyper sensitive to everything. In an awful , stressful way. I still have white hair from that period of life.

Sometimes, medication is the answer. I had a perfectly fine life on paper yet couldn't be happy. My theory is this was because of some adverse childhood events I experienced, that seemed to change something in me. Thank God for modern medicine.

And I learned sometimes the best advice is don't listen to others-- only you know what's best for you. People are complicated and therapy doesn't always work.

Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by petesergeant on Sunday January 09, 2022 @10:04PM (#29870110)
Exactly the same experience, including the quitting and restarting. My only regret about the meds is waiting so long to start
Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by pregseahorses on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @02:24PM (#29896456)
Exactly my experience. I can't forget the intensity of the shock when I realized that people around me do not 'normally' dread the day. I am still excited about my hobbies and family, but do not find myself going into fight-or-flight mode for perceived fears. An added bonus that enhances my quality of life: I do not get my weekly migraines while I'm on the pill - they do return to normal as soon as I stop.
Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by thelittleone on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:12PM (#29867851)
> My theory is this was because of some adverse childhood events I experienced, that seemed to change something in me.

Have you considered some sort of regression therapy such as hypnotherapy or if more adventurous, plant medicine? I sat next to a pretty senior FBI guy on a domestic US flight once. He was a hypnotherapist who claimed that in almost all cases they were able to use hypnosis to get information about what happened even if the conscious person was completely unable to recall any details.

In most shamanic traditions, a lot of work is devoted to bringing up and purging out past trauma. Examples include plant vapor baths to sweat things out, purgatives to release emotional trauma (often present in the stomach / belly) and plant medicines such as ayahuasca that act as both a purgative and help form new perspectives of past experiences.

Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by twofornone on Sunday January 09, 2022 @05:36PM (#29868046)
>He was a hypnotherapist who claimed that in almost all cases they were able to use hypnosis to get information about what happened even if the conscious person was completely unable to recall any details.

There's no guarantee that the information they received was true. I imagine hypnosis is in the same category as lie detectors with respect to its...interpretability.

Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by wyre on Sunday January 09, 2022 @11:05PM (#29870499)
Even if hypnotherapy only brings out incorrect tales if there is improvement in the patients wellness I would view that as a valid treatment, but obviously there are a lot of metrics that are impractical to measure to make valid scientific statements about it. I'm not a hypnotherapist, not do I visit one.
Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by lazide on Monday January 10, 2022 @02:30AM (#29871627)
Except for the folks accused of doing things in said made up memories - like all the poor bastards railroaded in the 90’s as part of the crazy satanic panic Bs.
Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by thelittleone on Sunday January 09, 2022 @10:09PM (#29870144)
Fair view. But I dont think lie detectors is a reasonabke compare. IIRC lie detectors ask questions with a true or false answer. These hypnotherapy sessions involve the individual under care to tell a story. They're typically not even aware they spoke at the end of the session.

I appreciate many think it's snake oil, I did too years ago. But have seen first hand great results.

Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by vasco on Sunday January 09, 2022 @07:20PM (#29868998)
It's also a very convenient thing for the FBI to have you believe I guess.
Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by copperx on Monday January 10, 2022 @02:16AM (#29871556)
> in almost all cases they were able to use hypnosis to get information about what happened even if the conscious person was completely unable to recall any details

In the 80s we had Satanic Panic because of false memories "retrieved" with hypnotherapy. It turned out that the "memories" were implanted unknowingly by the hypnotherapists themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic#False_memories

Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by tsol on Monday January 10, 2022 @01:23AM (#29871294)
I'm not sure they would help as I don't actually have traumatic memories from back then. I went through stressful times when young, where I was in a society I didn't fit into and dealt with a lot of stress. I don't know why this should make me permanently unhappy, but since then I've felt this way. But no memories of that time are particularly bad, in fact I have plenty of fond memories of that time. Maybe too much stress just has some certain effect on developing brains, is my personal theory

I find those ideas intriguing in their own ways, but I'm not sure if they'd help in my situation.

Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by astrange on Sunday January 09, 2022 @11:08PM (#29870518)
He was a hypnotherapist and in the FBI at the same time? I didn't think they allowed moonlighting.

You certainly can get memories back this way; the problem is that they'll be fabricated, especially from childhood.

I agree both these kinds of therapy are effective though.

Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by ipaddr on Sunday January 09, 2022 @11:56PM (#29870836)
Forensic Hypnosis is a career path.

FBI still works with hypnotherapists.

Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by astrange on Monday January 10, 2022 @03:54PM (#29882249)
Much of forensic science is fake, so that doesn't show much. They still do polygraphs too.
Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by buryat on Sunday January 09, 2022 @08:48PM (#29869602)
yeah, how would you know if someone works at FBI? they’ll tell you.
Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by jnovek on Sunday January 09, 2022 @06:36PM (#29868619)
Have you ever tried EMDR? If your mood issues are a result of childhood trauma or trauma-like experiences, EMDR has been researched heavily and has a good track record.

I’m not anti-medication by any means. I will probably need medication to feel OK for the rest of my life, but EMDR has augmented my treatment in a meaningful way. If you haven’t tried it, it’s at least worth looking into.

Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by objektif on Monday January 10, 2022 @08:36AM (#29874530)
Which one did you take?
Re:Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior by tsol on Friday January 14, 2022 @12:30PM (#29937339)
Effexor. Which is the one I hear people complain the most about in terms of discontinuation symptoms. I'm glad I tried it though, as it's perfect for me