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Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by rootsudo on Saturday January 01, 2022 @03:53AM (#29756755)
Yes, it's a known problem. Lax law enforcement, most social services are also "downtown."

While the commenter said they wont name the cities, it can be Chicago, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, etc.

It makes it unpleasant, and if you do have to live in the middle of downtown or such, not only are you paying more - you have to for safety. Safety of a living place, safety of controlled entry, safety of a garage for your car, etc.

In General it's all depressing, you'd imagine downtown cores would be the "best" of a city, but in the USA they generally are not.

Now whether or not it's true insecurity, fear or such can be up to person/gender but criminal statistics do not lie. You can pull up a map and see where the majority of crime is reported of happening - and there you go.

Then you can look at the threshold and severity. But nowadays we live in an era of political correctness or wokeness, so saying or making direct observations of that data can become very faulty quickly, especially once you bring up age, gender and race of the perpetrators.

So eh.

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by addicted on Saturday January 01, 2022 @10:44AM (#29759386)
Not one of the cities you mention is in the top 10 cities with the highest murders per capita.

https://www.roadsnacks.net/murder-capitals-of-america/

The same is probably true of other crime as well.

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by leetcrew on Saturday January 01, 2022 @12:49PM (#29760755)
murder per capita is an important statistic for a city, but it can be misleading.

for one thing, it depends a lot on how city borders are drawn. for example, baltimore city usually shows up in top five lists for per capita murders, and indeed it is an unusually violent place. but unlike many (most?) american cities, baltimore county is completely separate from the enclosed city. if you calculated murders per capital for baltimore city and county as a single population, it would still be bad, but it wouldn't be in the national top five every year. a corollary to this is that murder rates can vary much more neighborhood-to-neighborhood within the same city than they do when comparing entire cities. most cities I've been to have at least one or two dangerous areas to be avoided if possible.

second point: even in "dangerous cities" upper-middle class professionals are unlikely to be victims of violent crime. they generally choose to live in safer enclaves of those cities. realistically, property crime is a greater concern for this demographic, which does not scale linearly with violent crime and is not restricted to the "bad neighborhoods" the same way. interestingly, "safe" cities like seattle and SF actually have higher rates of property crime than baltimore.

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by neutronicus on Saturday January 01, 2022 @03:36PM (#29762456)
IIRC St. Louis has a similar arrangement with the surrounding county.

Addressing the context, though, Baltimore certainly belongs in any discussion of unpleasant downtowns. Altercations are a potential issue even driving (more so than walking actually). But there's also increasingly little to even walk to. The nightlife and culture all moved to the surrounding neighborhoods, now you just go downtown for the aquarium or the occasional bureaucratic necessity.

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by leetcrew on Saturday January 01, 2022 @04:36PM (#29763083)
> Altercations are a potential issue even driving (more so than walking actually)

are you referring to the complimentary car wash at president and lombard? but yeah I agree, there's a lot that's wrong with baltimore's downtown.

if you assume that most people have to commute to work, it does make sense to have a downtown that's mostly office buildings and well-connected via public transit. so I kinda expect most downtowns to be kinda boring, not sure why you would expect them to be fun to walk around it. of course, nowhere in baltimore is particularly well-served by public transit, and the downtown is not merely boring; it's downright unpleasant and somewhat unsafe.

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by neutronicus on Saturday January 01, 2022 @05:25PM (#29763505)
Yeah, that and the one on MLK (not really downtown, I know). Seems pretty common that women take the long way to avoid both.

I guess you could imagine restaurants switching from lunch to dinner service, but yeah the whole idea of downtown lends itself to emptiness I guess. Certainly not helped in Baltimore's case by how many of the offices are just empty.

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by dr_dshiv on Saturday January 01, 2022 @07:36AM (#29757803)
> especially once you bring up age, gender and race of the perpetrators

Is there sufficient social support for the families of young black males? If not, it may make sense economically to provide it, if it would make American cities functional again.

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by wrycoder on Saturday January 01, 2022 @10:39AM (#29759328)
“social support” is what caused the problem in the first place.
Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by Wiseacre on Saturday January 01, 2022 @12:05PM (#29760310)
If I'm not mistaken they never received any kind of reparations, so they've been a permanent underclass since slavery.
Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by truffdog on Saturday January 01, 2022 @02:49PM (#29761931)
He is referring to 20th century social services meant to fix slums, that wound up making marriage something that could get you kicked out of public housing and on-books work something that could get you kicked off financial support. This is often blamed for making everything worse and contributing to the social disaster zones that were the large public housing projects in northern cities.
Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by dr_dshiv on Saturday January 01, 2022 @05:12PM (#29763392)
Any links or references to share? Does this have a name?
Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by truffdog on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:00AM (#29765982)
The Pruitt-Igoe Myth is a pretty accessible introduction to one of the most notorious public housing disasters in the US. It was available on Netflix at some point.

The name for welfare discouraging marriage is "the marriage penalty", but it's a general policy thing that people still argue about, so I couldn't find anything good about the old AFDC marriage penalties on short notice. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/wedding-bell-blues-marria... does a quick outline in passing.

Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by wrycoder on Sunday January 02, 2022 @12:25AM (#29766102)
Re:Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in by xenihn on Saturday January 01, 2022 @07:44AM (#29757858)
You'll have to get past the entities that profit off whatever problem(s) you are proposing solutions for first.