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Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by Cyph0n on Friday December 24, 2021 @02:50PM (#29677104)
And the solution to that imaginary problem is.. to ban all women from wearing hijab? Excellent logic.
Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by Andrew_nenakhov on Friday December 24, 2021 @04:54PM (#29678120)
Of course, male from Saudi Arabia claims that this problem is imaginary. What a surprise. /s

Just because you decided to consider this problem imaginary, it does not mean that this problem does not exist in the real world, bringing suffering to millions of disenfranchised women.

Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by Cyph0n on Friday December 24, 2021 @05:37PM (#29678444)
Wow, you’re completely off the mark, buddy! But nice try with the amateur OSINT haha.
Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by istinetz on Friday December 24, 2021 @03:08PM (#29677245)
Well, yes. What solution do you propose? Mass propaganda? Perhaps possible in 2021, but it wouldn't have been as effective in the 1930s.
Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by Cyph0n on Friday December 24, 2021 @03:23PM (#29677373)
Why did you use the word “propaganda”? Why not “education”?

Regardless of the time period, I would simply propose focusing on educating current and future generations that men and women have equal rights.

If you dig into history a bit, you’ll find that state-sponsored persecution - ethnic, religious, or otherwise - is almost always guaranteed to backfire in the long run.

Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by istinetz on Friday December 24, 2021 @07:58PM (#29679296)
Because I dislike euphemisms.

Is it any less propaganda just because you agree with it?

Educating people of what? "Gender equality is good" is a normative statement.

And nitpicking aside, my point stands entirely, whether it's "propaganda" or "education".

Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by Cyph0n on Saturday December 25, 2021 @03:13AM (#29681428)
Fair enough.

I definitely simplified things a bit, but you can educate people on how to conduct themselves over the long term through various mechanisms. Many countries used this approach effectively to solve actual societal issues; however, the hijab is not a societal issue in and of itself.

Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by worik on Friday December 24, 2021 @05:40PM (#29678466)
But what is the problem?

It may have a religious origin but a headscarf is a fashion accessory. Like trousers or shirt buttons. We could ban them too, just for fun!

Up with skirts! Down with trousers!

See? What fun!

Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by Cyph0n on Friday December 24, 2021 @06:02PM (#29678642)
Okay, let’s work with that.

Do you also apply that logic to Sikh turbans (dastar)? In other words, do you believe that forbidding Sikhs from covering their hair is not religious persecution? How do you think Sikhs would react to that?

Edit: Or wait, I might have misunderstood: do you actually think that a hijab is equivalent to a generic headscarf? If so, it is not - please read a bit about it before commenting further.

Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by worik on Friday December 24, 2021 @06:18PM (#29678736)
I am with you, not against you. Turbans are fine by me. Of course banning them is religious persecution (there is an interesting intersection with motor cycle helmet laws) I do not want to wear one (but I have been known to wear a headscarf) There is no justification for fashion law.

The niqāb is problematic. I find it difficult to talk with some one when I cannot see their face. (Then there was Covid....). I am not sure if that is a personal quirk or a basis for a justifiable fashion law!

And of course a hijab is a headscarf. Not just a head scarf, like a turban is a hat, not just a hat. Why would we want to ban either?

Re:Turkey's Financial Crisis by Cyph0n on Friday December 24, 2021 @06:35PM (#29678837)
Sorry about that - sarcasm is tough to detect sometimes haha!

I agree about the niqab as it can be a bit of a hurdle to deal with in some situations.