It's increasingly getting harder and harder. Recently I was trying to watch a TV show with my friends using a self-hosted Plex server, which was located in one of my friend's house, connected via a gigabit, albeit residential link. Another friend was using LTE internet at that time. He couldn't watch the show, because his connection was so slow, but when he did a speed test the download speed was good enough (100+ Mbit).

Turns out the mobile carrier was throttling connections to select IP ranges to about 1 Mbit (we tested that with a few other IPs). I reckon it was to cripple peer-to-peer protocols. So I guess it's a matter of time until you will be allowed only to connect to certain IP addresses owned by the biggest companies (AWS, Azure, GCP) and nothing else.

Maybe its just a matter of time for some. For me personally, I could not possibly care less if all the free mail providers blocked me some day. If something is important I can call people and tell them to go to https://mydomain.tld/theirName/ to grab files. I have used this method with non technical people including lawyers without issue. They prefer of course to use their own secure portals. I do acknowledge that running my own mail server may get more expensive with time as I may have to use providers that and more vigilant about keeping abusers off their network.

As for web servers why would I not be able to run my own servers? I can rent VM's, physical servers, racks, cages.

I am just speaking for myself but I will never give in to the bully anti-competitive behavior of the likes of Google and as for ISP's I will not use one that blocks ports or protocols. If there is any blocking to be done it must be done by me. I would never fund an ISP that uses CG-NAT or rate limits something by protocol or port. I realize some people have limited options but at least in terms of blocking and rate limiting, those ISP's are shooting themselves in the feet given that providers like Starlink and various 5G providers will be more common place soon.

I don't get this one. How do large email providers make it difficult to host your own email?

I host my own email. It was a pain to setup so I try not to touch it since it is running fine. Setting up email on your own server is just complicated unless you install server management software. I am not sure big email providers are to blame for this.

By randomly marking your email as spam without any recourse. This may be because they blacklist your provider en bloc, your IP address or some subnet, because they feel like it, it's Tuesday or because their spam filters suck.

But it happens and it happens often enough that running a business in that way will cost you money, sometimes lots of it.

Correct.

I'd like to describe how badly this is implemented:

I run my own mail server and I have a 15+ year history of emailing (mywife)@gmail.com.

On a regular basis (mywife)@gmail.com will email me, and I will respond to her email and my response will go to her junk/spam folder.

And there is no alert, no bounce, no notification.

Let's unpack this:

Google (gmail) knows that these two email addresses converse back and forth, regularly, with a 15+ year history. Google knows that their own user initiated this conversation. Google knows my email is a response to their users email. Google knows my address has never been marked as spam/junk.

So, what kind of unimaginably bad heuristics would have to be in employ to allow this to happen ?

To be honest, this wouldn't bother me that much - I don't think google owes me anything and my wife doesn't pay for their service. What makes me so, so angry is that they behave this way without any notification or bounce email.

That's just shitty.

This is every Google product in a nutshell for me. Their "algorithms" are absurdly bad in every category.

So you're saying that anything can get you blacklisted if you're unlucky enough? I think that's the point of the people you're arguing with.

At this point we just need to figure exactly how unlucky.

Also one thing - if people actually want your email they will contact you if they don't get an expected email. If they don't want your messages it is spam.

By not delivering mail sent by your mailserver to mailboxes hosted by them. There's not much use for an own server, if your mail won't be received by most users on gmail or hotmail.

[citation needed]; is this actually going out from gmail or does it just use gmail return addresses?

I too used to run my own email from about 2000-2010, but the maintenance overhead is quite stressful especially because it always happens for critical times or critical emails.

And yes, it's genuinely from Gmail; valid SPF, valid DKIM, came from a Google IP address, etc...

To say the biggest source is Gmail might be technically wrong though - I suspect there's a large volume of spam that Migadu (my provider) is dropping before it even reaches my inbox, i.e. emails that it is 100% sure are spam and it can just drop. Nevertheless, an overwhelming amount of spam I observe/have to deal with is coming from Gmail. Second to that is outlook/hotmail.

This. It's more likely to be survivorship bias -- the gmail emails happen to survive because gmail is more trusted.

> Gmail obvious spam still #1 in the quarantine folders..

-- Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc.

https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg14526.html

You are of course welcome to not believe me.

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