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Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by rsync on Friday December 24, 2021 @03:26PM (#29677399)
"By randomly marking your email as spam without any recourse."

Correct.

I'd like to describe how badly this is implemented:

I run my own mail server and I have a 15+ year history of emailing (mywife)@gmail.com.

On a regular basis (mywife)@gmail.com will email me, and I will respond to her email and my response will go to her junk/spam folder.

And there is no alert, no bounce, no notification.

Let's unpack this:

Google (gmail) knows that these two email addresses converse back and forth, regularly, with a 15+ year history. Google knows that their own user initiated this conversation. Google knows my email is a response to their users email. Google knows my address has never been marked as spam/junk.

So, what kind of unimaginably bad heuristics would have to be in employ to allow this to happen ?

To be honest, this wouldn't bother me that much - I don't think google owes me anything and my wife doesn't pay for their service. What makes me so, so angry is that they behave this way without any notification or bounce email.

That's just shitty.

Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by jacquesm on Friday December 24, 2021 @04:40PM (#29678007)
Same here. And I can't even forward mail from one inbox to another because it invariably gets marked as spam. Two mailboxes, same browser, same IP.
Re:Running your own email is increasingly an artisanal choic... by smt88 on Saturday December 25, 2021 @06:01AM (#29682223)
> unimaginably bad heuristics

This is every Google product in a nutshell for me. Their "algorithms" are absurdly bad in every category.