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Re:Reddit files to go public by paxys on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @10:59PM (#29574631)
Content aside, Reddit is possibly the worst performing large commercial website I have ever seen. Like half of all page loads and requests end with “something went wrong”. Search has been unusable from day 1, and somehow getting worse. Their new video player makes me want to throw my computer across the room. I have been using it on and off for a decade now and I can’t think of one aspect of the site (whether in terms of performance, reliability, UI, usability, features) that hasn’t degraded in quality.

Happy about the IPO, but PLEASE invest in some engineering and infrastructure work.

(Edit: weird that this comment was sitting at the top of the page for an hour and then suddenly moved to the very bottom. Someone on the HN team must really like Reddit.)

Re:Reddit files to go public by romwell on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:21PM (#29574805)
I don't know what you're talking about.

Reddit is lightning fast, and is very stable...

...oh. I got it! You might be trying to use the dumpster fire that's https://reddit.com

Ignore that, and head over to the actually functional Reddit at https://old.reddit.com

It's like HackerNews in terms of performance. You can still set it as default.

The "new" UI they have is unusable, and may God have mercy for the poor souls that walk into it.

Re:Reddit files to go public by wyldfire on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:38PM (#29574942)
> You might be trying to use the dumpster fire that's https://reddit.com

IMO this has dual meaning. Of course, the (new reddit) UI is not my preference for sure. But the content on (not logged in) reddit.com is just so unbelievably different from what I see when logged in (to old.reddit.com). Therein lies the dumpster fire. I've had thumbnails disabled since forever ago, and picked a handful of subreddits across a couple of multireddits. I never really understood why people would think Reddit was anything like Facebook or any such similar site. Until one day I saw what it looked like to everyone else.

Reddit for me looks a lot like it looked back in ~2004, but with comments :)

Re:Reddit files to go public by romwell on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:44PM (#29574979)
Note: you don't have to be logged in to use https://old.reddit.com

All you have to do is learn to type "old" instead of "red" in the address bar, and your browser will do the rest.

Kind of like typing "n <Enter>" probably brings you here, and typing "p <Enter>" brings up, erm, Pinterest.

Re:Reddit files to go public by CamelCaseName on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:49PM (#29575016)
For the uninitiated, there's an extension to redirect to old Reddit:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/old-reddit-redirec...

Re:Reddit files to go public by Bilal_io on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:51PM (#29575032)
P didn't bring up Pinterest. Something went wrong..
Re:Reddit files to go public by raphlinus on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:11AM (#29575165)
I was curious. play.rust-lang.org here. Figures. "n" on the other hand, exactly where you'd expect.
Re:Reddit files to go public by SkyMarshal on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:26PM (#29574842)
I was thinking exactly the same thing, till you mentioned old reddit, and I remember I've never actually used new reddit. I just opted out in Preferences when it was first released and have been using old reddit ever since. It's still the same good reading/content experience it was 10yrs ago.
Re:Reddit files to go public by chii on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:34PM (#29574907)
There's actually a mobile web view which works even better than old.reddit.com - it's i.reddit.com , and it's even faster, cleaner, and less javascript, with the added benefit that it doesn't display any of the custom CSS or customizations from the subreddit (like the header banners etc).
Re:Reddit files to go public by toper-centage on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:27PM (#29574854)
And at least for now, there's a multitude of third party parties with all the features one could care about, minus all the bloat. But who knows how long the api will last?
Re:Reddit files to go public by function_seven on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:11AM (#29575163)
> But who knows how long the api will last?

The clock is ticking on that. I'd wager we see it shut down within the next 2 years. There will be insane pressure to increase ad revenue now, even more pressure than was already there. 3rd-party clients are a "leak" in this regard.

Re:Reddit files to go public by tfehring on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:36PM (#29574921)
I've used the old site exclusively since the rewrite (and for a long time before it), and https://old.reddit.com specifically is still the most unreliable large commercial website I can think of by a wide margin. It's fast when it works, but I get orders of magnitude more 5XX errors on https://old.reddit.com than on any other site I can think of.
Re:Reddit files to go public by jolux on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:27PM (#29574849)
> The "new" UI they have is unusable, and may God have mercy for the poor souls that walk into it.

This would be reasonable if there weren’t subreddits that are totally broken on old.reddit.com and proclaim loudly in their sidebar that they no longer support it.

Re:Reddit files to go public by romwell on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:35PM (#29574911)
Aside from disabling custom CSS being an option, I haven't ever stumbled into that problem.

Could you link to an example? In curious :)

Re:Reddit files to go public by Spivak on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:28PM (#29574860)
You use custom CSS?!? Oh god it’s so awful. Turning that off is half the reason to be logged in.
Re:Reddit files to go public by jolux on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:00AM (#29575094)
I wasn’t aware I could turn it off, guess I’ll go do that.
Re:Reddit files to go public by anoncow on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:34PM (#29574908)
https://i.reddit.com is where it is at. I hope they don’t disable this.
Re:Reddit files to go public by Spivak on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:27PM (#29574853)
And if you’re on iOS there’s an app called reddo which is basically old Reddit redirect.
Re:Reddit files to go public by naravara on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:37PM (#29574935)
Unfortunately old.Reddit is not actually a great experience on mobile.
Re:Reddit files to go public by kd913 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:53PM (#29575045)
RIF and Apollo are great for mobile.
Re:Reddit files to go public by yjftsjthsd-h on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:48PM (#29575011)
For that, there's i.reddit.com
Re:Reddit files to go public by thundergolfer on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:07PM (#29574701)
I use Reddit daily, and for the last ~week their UI has added multiple things to click and be taken to my 'Reddit recap', which I think is supposed to be like Spotify's 'your year in review' feature.

Reddit's product managers very much want me to check out my 'Reddit Recap'.

Well I've navigated to my recap about 30 times now in the last week, from multiple links, in app and desktop, and it's still totally broken.

On desktop now, it doesn't show anything except a "retry" button which is incorrectly stuck to the left side of my screen (CSS fail).

I can understand things being broken, but its really bad form to funnel a user to a prominent feature, have that feature be broken, and then have a broken and terrible error state.

I do wonder what kind of engineering team bungles a big feature release like this.

Re:Reddit files to go public by edoceo on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:24PM (#29574828)
This is all their attention grabbing tricks -- by MBA style middle managers to juke the stats for their OKRs and KPIs. Reddit is to that part of their life-cycle where the soul gets crushed out for the capital (it's a re-run, you've seen it before).

I'd wager $1 that over the next few years Reddit becomes even more of an Attention-Vampire (or tries to)

It's almost feeling Reddit, Facebook, Twitter -- these "social" echo chamber sites are all getting to the contempt phase of life -- the next disruptor cannot come soon enough.

Re:Reddit files to go public by naravara on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:41PM (#29574960)
I don’t know if there will be a “next” one. I think these vampires will be with us for the foreseeable future. There will be a separate “enthusiast web” (maybe out of the fediverse but I’m not gonna hold my breath) but it’ll never get big enough to go fully mainstream.

Already the real action is happening on chat apps these days. These are your discords and slacks and clubhouses. In them I see the vitality of the old IRC and forum culture eras.

Re:Reddit files to go public by campital on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:17PM (#29574783)
I experienced a somewhat comical bug where the Reddit recap chose my most downvoted comment as my "Comment to end all comments" (probably because its absolute value was greatest). Seems unlikely that this was an intentional easter egg (it was accompanied with "Out of all the comments you made in 2021, this one sure got a lot of upvotes").

Also, I just discovered that the built-in screenshot generator for Reddit recap is broken as it only captures the rendered portion of each card, leaving out the scrollable overflow.

This case alone offers a strong testament to the poor quality of most Reddit features.

Re:Reddit files to go public by sergiotapia on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:16PM (#29574765)
The second old.reddit.com goes offline, I'll probably never visit the website again. I haven't used the new version once (what is it 4 years old now?) - they toyed with literally the perfect UX for what? For a PM to have something to do?
Re:Reddit files to go public by jethro_tell on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:50PM (#29575021)
To sell ads inline so they could ipo and bail.
Re:Reddit files to go public by egypturnash on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:16PM (#29574770)
Oh god the recap is hilariously broken. Doesn’t work on my iPad or my iPhone browser. Haven’t tried the app because fuck the app. Sorta works on my desktop browser. Kinda.
Re:Reddit files to go public by sillycube on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:21PM (#29574806)
The thing is I don't understand why I want to see the recap
Re:Reddit files to go public by winternett on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:21PM (#29574798)
I'm beginning to see why they banned several subreddits and accounts, began forcing people to use the app, had tons of front page content re-upped as bootlegs from tiktok, and then turned the place into a Frankenstein of all the other social media sites.. Finally the truth comes to light... Whelp... Thanks for the fish, it was nice until it tanked about 2 years ago.
Re:Reddit files to go public by 0x0nyandesu on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:25PM (#29574838)
If they get rid of old.reddit.com I won't be able to use it..just can't. It will die for me like digg.
Re:Reddit files to go public by winternett on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:48AM (#29575376)
New reddit is scary... Almost like IG with boxes around everything, and all the controls are hidden in places you'll never find them. It's like driving a poorly serviced 92 Fiero through a hidden curve on the autobahn. But even old reddit has the same recycled content and reposts, so there's that... :\
Re:Reddit files to go public by GekkePrutser on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:26PM (#29574845)
And more than doubled the subscription price too.
Re:Reddit files to go public by scantron4 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:53PM (#29575046)
At least you have the giant stickied Covid Misinformation comment on on every single post on .... r/funny. The place I go for all of my up to date covid information.
Re:Reddit files to go public by greenknight on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:14PM (#29574754)
This is the thing, i hate their new ui... and if ever they get rid of their 'old' ui I would leave reddit. Their "New UI" was brought in in 2018, and to me was like a digg moment.

To me, Hackernews is what Reddit was 10 years ago, just without subreddits. Clean top quality content.

Re:Reddit files to go public by kingcharles on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:20PM (#29574794)
It's weird. I was a huge user of Reddit from its launch to 2013 when I fell off the Internet. I didn't use it again until 2021, so I had a big jump in UI. As a UX designer I really don't get all the hate about the current interface. It works great for me.
Re:Reddit files to go public by romwell on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:30PM (#29574872)
It's literally 10x slower on all devices that I have, shows less content (particularly, long comment threads), and 100 other reasons they I'd sure hope you understood as a UX designer.

It's 2021, I don't want to see a "Loading..." icon like I'm on dial-up in the 90s.

Compare with https://old.reddit.com — open them side by side, refresh, click around.

We can have a serious discussion about what sucks in the "new" UI, but I really hope it's obvious.

Re:Reddit files to go public by kingcharles on Thursday December 16, 2021 @01:43AM (#29575682)
Honestly, I have seen no performance issues for new Reddit on any of the devices I own. And I own some really shit devices. I'm broke, so I bought the cheapest laptop on Amazon. My phones are the lowest free Android devices.

Whereas about 80% of other sites on the Internet were unbrowseable until I installed an adblocker.

Re:Reddit files to go public by GekkePrutser on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:31PM (#29574878)
It's just a sucky pile of JavaScript libraries.. I'm always stuck looking at the "pulsing gray bars as a placeholder for text" for way too long. They should focus on making it perform so it doesn't need tricks like that.

My main driver isn't the fastest (skylake i5) but it's much slower than any of the other sites I use. And on my gaming pc (Ryzen 5 5600) it's slow too. And I have 1gbit fibre.

Ps serious question, isn't it difficult being a UX designer when you've been off the internet for 8 years? Stuff has really changed a lot.

Re:Reddit files to go public by kingcharles on Thursday December 16, 2021 @01:39AM (#29575660)
My only driver is a $300 Acer Windows 10 laptop and new Reddit works great for me on Chrome.

I really don't think the Web has changed very much at all in the time I was gone. Pages are much better at being responsive. Bloat is 100X worse, but was solved by installing an adblocker. The cookie pop-ups can fuck themselves. But, fundamentally, nothing is different. I like that CSS and HTML have advanced to the point where it is simpler and cleaner to write good code if you are a decent human being.

Re:Reddit files to go public by probably_wrong on Thursday December 16, 2021 @02:33AM (#29575973)
Fair point. For contrast, here's a list of reasons why I think Reddit's new UI sucks:

1. Stability: videos rarely play for me. Sometimes I break Reddit too (their words, not mine).

2. Slow: if I want to read the comments, I have to wait 3-5 seconds for them to load. I know that the comments could load instantly because the i.reddit.com interface can do it.

3. Unhelpful interface: it is not easy to identify how to expand a comment thread. But more important, the interface often won't tell me that a comment chain keeps going - it looks as if it just ended, even though it keeps going several levels deep. You can keep reading the chain if you click on the last comment, but again, why would you click on it if you don't know whether it keeps going?

3b. In relation to the previous point: I saw your comment because I was scrolling pretty deep into this thread. In the new Reddit UI it would have been cut off.

4. Annoying: if you're not logged in, content is kept from you just because. Again, the i.reddit.com interface shows everything, but the "regular" interface keeps pestering you with "Log in to see this content" or "Open in app". These popups cannot be dismissed.

All of these changes are pro-metrics and anti-user. Sure, the interface itself looks fine (once it rendered, if it renders). But interaction-wise? It sucks.

Re:Reddit files to go public by 0x0nyandesu on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:28PM (#29574858)
It's just a small amount of actual content in the space compared to the old interface (still up at old.reddit.com)
Re:Reddit files to go public by Gigachad on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:19AM (#29575210)
The actual visuals and layout are fine imo. I don’t need to see a billion posts at once. The problem is it runs like shit, gives errors all the time, and has a billion nag popups.
Re:Reddit files to go public by DangitBobby on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:40PM (#29574955)
Try navigating the comments from a post you found in a google search while not logged in.
Re:Reddit files to go public by Spivak on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:31PM (#29574877)
The UI is fine. It’s nothing special in terms of design but it’s not outright offensive except to people used to the old one. The issue is that it’s dog slow.
Re:Reddit files to go public by flenserboy on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:54PM (#29575052)
No, it isn't. The information-dense old style is useful, doesn't force scrolling (the forcing of which appears to be the intent, for whatever reason), and does not aid in quick scanning of material & moving on. It's intended to keep people desperate for content engaged while not giving them anything useful.
Re:Reddit files to go public by NineStarPoint on Thursday December 16, 2021 @01:05AM (#29575456)
The content density of old reddit is much higher than new Reddit. Additionally, I've always been deeply unhappy with endless scroll. Pagination just feels much more stable to me.
Re:Reddit files to go public by jorvi on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:23PM (#29574817)
It has horrible performance issues even on something like 11400f with a 3070Ti.
Re:Reddit files to go public by Rebelgecko on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:21AM (#29575218)
Just curious, did you abstain from the internet for 8 years? Or just Reddit?
Re:Reddit files to go public by kingcharles on Thursday December 16, 2021 @01:40AM (#29575667)
Jail.
Re:Reddit files to go public by kactus on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:03PM (#29574662)
The redesign and video player issues finally convinced me to stop using Reddit and delete my account after 10 years, last year. Haven’t looked back.
Re:Reddit files to go public by technion on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:23PM (#29574820)
Aren't every one of those facts supposed to be the sort of thing that gets you downranked on Google? Slow pages, pages that don't load, pages appear in Google but when clicked present a logon wall?

I've posted on own blog on Reddit and found that a search for the exact title has, as the first hit, that reddit post. And my blog itself is on page three. It's infuriating.

Re:Reddit files to go public by protoax on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:10PM (#29574718)
Completely agree – search is absurdly poor considering the resources available to any solo developer these days. The mobile app is generally usable, if all you want to do is doomscroll without interacting with a single piece of content. Even normal interface interactions induce ridiculous UI delays that I haven't seen in any level of software product for years.
Re:Reddit files to go public by vlunkr on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:10PM (#29574721)
They've also made some (or most?) subreddits unavailable on the mobile site. It's obviously a hostile attempt to force people into the mobile app.
Re:Reddit files to go public by fortylove on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:02PM (#29574654)
The page loads ending in failure has not been my experience at all. Search is not great though, agreed.
Re:Reddit files to go public by pingsl on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:40PM (#29574951)
I once ran some ads on Reddit to promote my website. What I found from the ad report was 99% of Reddit users were using the mobile app.

So I am afraid Reddit won't care about the web UI much now.

Re:Reddit files to go public by VirusNewbie on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:30AM (#29575275)
Does anyone know why reddit's engineering is such a shit show? It seems comically bad. MySpace was more reliable.
Re:Reddit files to go public by yannoninator on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:11PM (#29574730)
After this exit, expect engineering to go way down.
Re:Reddit files to go public by enryu on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:06AM (#29575131)
Why do you think that? Is there a record of engineering performance going down in other companies that had exits?
Re:Reddit files to go public by tzm on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:49PM (#29575013)
At this point, I've learned to expect this type of criticism on HN.