Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by civilized on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @10:42AM (#29567466)

If they're monitoring AWS downtime they might want to rethink this.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by cinntaile on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:20AM (#29567995)

How come? It's accurate.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by johnisgood on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:28AM (#29568120)

True, if it is down, then that means AWS is down (not necessarily, obviously). :D But honestly, if they want to monitor AWS, they gotta pick something else for this reason, something that is not down when AWS is.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by civilized on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @12:25PM (#29568929)

I guess it depends on whether you like your FALSE's encoded as timeouts :)

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by jeanlucas on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:29AM (#29568133)

Well... Yes. Hahahah

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by nexuist on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @07:23PM (#29573312)

Work smarter, not harder

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by synergy20 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @10:49AM (#29567601)

AWS should monitor itself from Azure or GCP, even DO or Linode makes more sense.

Eat your own dog food shows confidence, but monitoring it is a different dimension, you need use anything but your own dog food there.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by skeeter2020 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:04AM (#29567851)

It's the only realistic multi-cloud provider scenario I can ever come up with that I would consider actually implementing...

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by itisit on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @10:54AM (#29567688)

AWS wouldn't monitor itself from a competitor, of course, but they could just as well silo a team and isolate DCs to do independent self-auditing.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by rozenmd on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @10:58AM (#29567755)

I don't know about AWS, but I know a lot of us uptime monitoring makers use (and pay) for competitor's products to know if we're down.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by itisit on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:06AM (#29567887)

Rightly so. My point is a company can self-audit without having to pay a competitor.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by whimsicalism on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @12:03PM (#29568628)

I think that is inherently riskier because you never know on what axis you will have a failure and it is difficult to exclude all shared axes.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by jethro_tell on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @01:43PM (#29569973)

But we're talking about a status page which should be basically static. In it's simplest form you need a rack in 2+ random colos and a few people to manage the page update framework. Then you make teams submit the tests that are used to validate SLA. Run the tests from a few DCs and rebuild the status page every minute or two.

Maybe add a CDN. This shit isn't rocket science and being able to accurately monitor your own systems from off infrastructure is the one time you should really be separate.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by 8note on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @01:18PM (#29569612)

That applies when you use competitors too.

They could have a related outage, or even a coincidentally timed one

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by lostlogin on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:24AM (#29568067)

Absolutely. And even if it’s cheaper to use the competition, an expensive custom solution will be found.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by throwaway81523 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @01:45PM (#29570017)

They have a bazillion alexa and kindle devices out there that they could monitor from, heh heh. At least let that phone-home behaviour do something useful, like notice AWS is down.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by reaperducer on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @12:38PM (#29569090)

AWS wouldn't monitor itself from a competitor, of course

Why not? The big tech companies use each other all the time.

For example, set up a new firewall on macOS and you can see how many times Apple pulls data from Amazon or Azure or other competitors' APIs and services.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by jethro_tell on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @01:45PM (#29570009)

Apple is not a competitor to AWS or Azure in any way. They offer not infrastructure/platform as a service that I am aware of.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by reaperducer on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @04:03PM (#29571599)

Apple and Amazon are competitors. Apple and Microsoft competitors.

The postulation was that Apple and Amazon weren't competitors. Not that they're not competitors in a specific niche.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by jethro_tell on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:12AM (#29575176)

But the idea that Amazon or Microsoft or Google would host anything at apple is pretty out there.

Apple uses their competitor's services because they can't build their own cloud and host their own shit. The big boys don't use competitors for services they are capable of building themselves.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by QuinnyPig on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:10AM (#29579671)

And yet video.nest.com (Google) resolves to an Amazon load balancer.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by mrslave on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @05:59PM (#29572651)

A similar reason drives businesses to host `status.product.bigcorp` on a different server. And if your product is a cloud then your suggestion makes sense.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by QuinnyPig on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @01:41PM (#29569949)

Yeah, I homed https://stop.lying.cloud out of us-west-2. Oops.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by mrslave on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @05:56PM (#29572634)

Considering the sea of bright green circles, reds might stand out but blues get lost in a fast scroll. Perhaps fade or mute the green icon to improve visibility of non-green which is the interesting information?

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by yonig on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @02:52PM (#29570766)

The brand is strong if you’re really the owner

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by saganus on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @10:58AM (#29567756)

How does this service work?

It seems to have all the look and feel of AWS, and somehow has more up to date info than the official AWS status page?

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by fishtoaster on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @12:27PM (#29568963)

It's the same info - it just changes all blues to yellows and all yellows to reds. :)

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by saganus on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @01:36PM (#29569879)

I had no idea!

Pretty funny actually.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by tinco on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @12:09PM (#29568707)

Now that they're back up they're not reporting any problems, how is it supposed to work? It looks like it is just repeating the status reported on the Amazon status page.

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by fishtoaster on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @12:26PM (#29568945)

It is. It's just the AWS status page run through a transformation function to:

1. Remove all the thousand green services that no one cares about when looking at AWS status

2. Upgrade all yellows to reds because Amazon refuses to list anything as "down" no matter how bad the outage is.

3. Insert a snarky legend

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by taormina on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @01:00PM (#29569362)

I mean, sounds like it's working as intended then?

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by mishftw on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @10:46AM (#29567543)

Funny I didn't know that and assumed it was okay

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Re:Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again by moneywoes on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:09AM (#29567920)

That’s hilarious

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