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Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by whitepaint on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:08AM (#29564349)
If you already had Covid, should you get vaccinated?
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by scotty79 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:19AM (#29564441)
Most likely yes. Look at the chart at the last page of this PDF.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v...

Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by kame3d on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @07:02AM (#29564789)
If I'm reading the charts correctly, the incidence of infection after recovering from Covid is around 13-15 per 100k after 6-8 months, and after recovering from Covid + Vaccination is around 10-14 per 100k after 6-8 months.

So it seems like vaccination does not present a clear benefit for someone that recovered from Covid? (The confidence intervals overlap)

Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by scotty79 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @07:36AM (#29565128)
I think the main benefit is that taking vaccine re-sets the timer on your dimnishing immunity from prior infection.

So if you had covid 8 months ago, but took the vaccine last month you have significantly better immunity than if you didn't.

While a person that took vaccine 8 months ago and was also sick even further back (for example 12 months ago), has roughly the same immunity as a person who was sick 8 months ago and didn't vaccinate.

Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by basch on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @01:55PM (#29570138)
>does not present a clear benefit

It sounds like youre operating from a premise of unnecessary doses being slightly bad, vs slightly good. Is there a clear benefit to not taking pascals wager?

Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by Bancakes on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @03:46PM (#29571409)
The premise that injecting experimental substances in my body is not necessarily a good thing.
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by scotty79 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @07:14PM (#29573241)
With over 6 billion doses taken worldwide it's currently about as experimental as aspirin.
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by Bancakes on Thursday December 16, 2021 @01:33AM (#29575621)
We know how and why aspirin works, and we've had it for decades. I don't want to live through class actions and apologies for long term vaccine effects.
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by basch on Thursday December 16, 2021 @02:01AM (#29575783)
lets say you have 40 years of life left. are you going to wait 40 years for data? is the 10 they have not enough? 1 more year? 5?

the premise that long term effects exist is also quite a leap.

i think a premise of "this is bad until i know it is good" will be one youll never satisfactorily escape.

Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by Bancakes on Thursday December 16, 2021 @02:53AM (#29576071)
I'm not interested in vaccines and it's not my job to be. There are scientists who dedicate their lives, and I'm waiting for results. Asking when I'm satisfied is asking a Las Vegas algorithm when its satisfied - it's irrelevant.
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by basch on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:45PM (#29581180)
This is the result. After 10+ years they deemed it safe and gave it to 60% of the planet.

Youre saying youre waiting for some "results". The scientists say they are satisfied, but you say you cant hear them say they are satisfied. It's not that they arent, its your, in as polite of french as i have, fingers in your ears.

Youve decided they arent satisfied, despite their statements to the contrary.

Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by Bancakes on Friday December 17, 2021 @06:31AM (#29590809)
I do take aspirin. I love it. Amd I'll take one/two/three/four covid shots in 10+ years when they're deemed safe. Right now, though, I'm wondering why so many athletes are getting injured all of a sudden, and why I hear people complaining of shortness of breath and such.
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by y7 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:10AM (#29564375)
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by whitepaint on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:13AM (#29564398)
"Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported, but remain rare . "

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfe...

Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by y7 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:18AM (#29564435)
"Updated Aug. 6, 2021"
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by tigershark on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:20AM (#29564453)
You can post something from last century, it will be as wrong as this link. Omicron has shown extremely increased reinfection risk compared to all the other variants. So the correct answer is:

yes, you absolutely do need to get a vaccine after the infection if you want to lower your reinfection chances.

Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by scotty79 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:18AM (#29564431)
They can't be that rare. I heard about multiple from my social circle.
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by ethanbond on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:28AM (#29564510)
Curious enough, almost everyone I know who had COVID once at least thinks they got it at least one more time. Obviously anecdata etc., I’m not substantiating any argument at all with this, but this fact of my personal experience didn’t occur to me until reading your comment!
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by rajup on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:55AM (#29564728)
Nice. We have reached the point where hearing from your social circle is equivalent to data.
Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by scotty79 on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @07:39AM (#29565156)
It's not. However if somebody claims that something almost never happens and you, being completely average person, know few people that claim it has happned to them then something might be up.

Somebody's might be mistaken. Probably those few people but I'd like to see stronger evidence for the general claim as well.

Especially if claim is extraordinary. We know very few illnesses where being sick once gives you immunity for life.

Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by throwntoday on Friday December 17, 2021 @05:41PM (#29599238)
No. Ask yourself if the low chance of getting covid again (lower than if you were only vaccinated) is worth the complications from unforeseen issues.

Without taking the vaccine you introduce none of the potential risks of the vaccine. If there are any you simply can't get them if you don't take it.

Re:Myocarditis associated with Covid-19 compared to mRNA vac... by antocv on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @07:27AM (#29565043)
No, do not do it. Not worth the risk, while your natural immunity is way more effective than even 3 shots of vaccine. If you are above 60 years old, get the vaccine.