Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by aantix on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @11:44AM (#29553685)

Would you attend the game if it were 11 people?

Because that's what you do every time you drive. 11 crash fatalities per 100,000 people.

https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state...

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @11:45AM (#29553710)

Driving has benefits.

Getting infected with COVID does not.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by mixedCase on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @11:50AM (#29553808)

Except COVID is not the end goal here, it is living a full life in proximity to other human beings that comes with a risk of getting COVID. It is no different in purpose than driving for the most part.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @11:52AM (#29553870)

There's a wide spectrum of precautions available. I traveled overseas recently, but I KN95 masked on the plane and tested before departure and on arrival. I felt like I was living a pretty full life in Bora Bora, while also taking steps to ensure the safety of myself and others around me.

Same thing with driving; we have a variety of safety precautions - quite a few of them mandatory - involved that help tilt the cost/benefit balance in our favor.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by adolph on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:56PM (#29554800)

Why travel anywhere if you are living a flu life in Bora Bora?

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:14PM (#29555084)

Unfortunately, that was my travel destination, so I only got a week there. I heartily recommend a visit.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by adolph on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:18PM (#29555149)

It’s a pity you and your fellow travelers are destroying the world with your carbon emissions. Good thing you wear a mask tho.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:20PM (#29555168)

Good news: you can address that, if you're so inclined. https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/company/global-citizens...

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by adolph on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @05:33PM (#29559047)

With our Eco-Skies® CarbonChoice carbon offset sponsorship program, we’ll purchase carbon offsets on behalf of our customers so all their corporate air travel with us is 100% carbon neutral.

So they will buy carbon indulgences for your corporate trip to Bora Bora but not regular travelers?

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @05:36PM (#29559082)

It's presented as an option on checkout for any United flight, or you can do it directly after the fact at https://united.conservation.org/. $34 for my round trip.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by rajup on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:03PM (#29554046)

Getting back to life with COVID with the appropriate amount of precautions and restrictions has benefits. Current hysteria and alarmism shows we are not there yet.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by slingnow on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:19PM (#29554257)

These statements don't follow from anything anyone has said.

You would need to compare the benefits of driving to the benefits of living a normal life, and compare that to the risks of dying from each.

Why would getting infected with COVID have benefits? What are you trying to say?

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by landemva on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:08PM (#29555010)

'Why would getting infected with COVID have benefits?'

Why do you think you get a choice? Without extreme measures of staying locked up, most everyone will encounter the virus. Why not help your body deal with it by going for a walk today to get some exercise? Life is to live, not eat ourselves to overweight deaths.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by spookthesunset on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:31PM (#29555317)

> Getting infected with COVID does not.

Going to a live game has benefits. Do those not matter?

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by megablast on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:43PM (#29554591)

Yes. Pollution. Destruction of land. Serious injury. Noise. Urban sprawl.

So many benefits.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:36AM (#29564571)

>Because that's what you do every time you drive. 11 crash fatalities per 100,000 people

This is a ludicrous abuse of statistics. 11 fatalities per 100k people is 11 fatalities per 100k people's worth of trips. That is a few orders of magnitude less than executing 11 people out of every 100k who show up to a stadium.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by jonathanstrange on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:16PM (#29554218)

That risk is an order of magnitude lower. Moreover, you're not taking that risk "...every time you drive". That risk is much lower, of course, given that most people drive more than once a year.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by jdminhbg on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @02:10PM (#29555940)

> Moreover, you're not taking that risk "...every time you drive". That risk is much lower, of course, given that most people drive more than once a year.

The OP comparison of Covid to a football game has the same issue, of course.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by kenjackson on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:53PM (#29554753)

Correct. It is about 1 death per 100 million miles driven per the table given by the other commenter. Those are actually much better odds than I was expecting!

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by clairity on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:54PM (#29555711)

that doesn’t mean it takes you driving 100m miles to die; that’s a population level statistic. your lifetime chances of death by car is 1 in 100.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by kenjackson on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @05:02PM (#29558599)

Right. The 100m miles is more useful because it sets the scale of usage. 1 in 100 odds over your lifetime doesn't say anything about how likely you are to die at any given point in time. It's just that when you do die, there was a 1% chance it was in a car accident.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by jdminhbg on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @11:46AM (#29553729)

No NFL stadiums host 100k people. All stadiums in the US with a capacity over 100k are college football stadiums: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._stadiums_by_capac...

> Would you go to a game if you knew 243 people were going to be randomly executed at it?

Covid-19 deaths are not randomly distributed. We've known this for nearly two years now.

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Re:Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less... by iso1631 on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @11:41AM (#29553643)

I suspect many people would go especially if they knew 243 people were going, the types of people who believe it wouldn't happen to them, only to others (probably someone who made the "bad choices" in life because god/fate/karma/etc)

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