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Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by edrxty on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:14AM (#29481784)
This will almost certainly be used for weapons in short order.

Currently if you want thermal imaging or very low light capability you have to use very expensive substrates. Being able to use CMOS detectors for MWIR/LWIR would instantly increase available resolutions by an order of magnitude at any given price point, assuming these filters are actually relatively cheap.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by withinboredom on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:56AM (#29482884)
I doubt it. It sounds like it has to be “charged” with visible light or something. That means it’s unlikely to be useful some time after sundown, or after being used. I don’t see a military springing for that because it would put constraints on the types of operations they can run unless it adds significant upsides (such as an increase in FOV or something). I do see it being more useful for civilians though, who don’t need them at any random point of the night.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by downrightmike on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:45PM (#29490249)
The charge seems to be using gold's excellent ability to reflect, to concentrate all wave lengths onto a molecule that will then produce visible light.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by hoseja on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:55AM (#29483297)
I think you can just back(front?)light it.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by withinboredom on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:59AM (#29483320)
Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of everyone within 5 miles can see your glowing eyes?
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by HideousKojima on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:29AM (#29485079)
The Russian T-90 tank uses infrared emitters as countermeasures, looks like a pair of angry eyes: https://www.army-technology.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2...
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by GekkePrutser on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:08AM (#29485621)
Wouldn't this be a great target for an IR guided missile?
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by danuker on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:21AM (#29485784)
Exactly. Missiles would hit the emitters, where the armor is the thickest, giving the crew and tank the best chance of survival.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by dontcare007 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:09PM (#29487345)
But if you knew the tank model a computed offset would negate that...
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by edrxty on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:42PM (#29490909)
It's an old system that iirc they're phasing out. It was probably designed against for older analog systems similar to the the pulsed IR jammer turrets on US helicopters.

Focal plane trackers are generally able to defeat these types of decoys through software updates

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by HideousKojima on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:13PM (#29487409)
They supposedly only enable them when they know the tank is being actively targeted by a missile that the countermeasures are effective against. Supposedly.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by dotancohen on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:49AM (#29486171)
The commander's tank doesn't have them.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by Retric on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @08:17AM (#29484324)
The cost difference is unlikely to be relevant for a Mach 4, air to air missile. But, if this is small and cheap enough it might get added to a lot of currently unguided weapons like bombs and RPG’s etc.

Militaries constantly make cost vs effectiveness trade offs, and new technology can very easily change the equation.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by myself248 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:01AM (#29485523)
You put a filter over the front that blocks your charging wavelength, so it's only used internally.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by comradesmith on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:48AM (#29483645)
Finally, night vision goggles that look like something out of the movies
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by nine_k on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:05AM (#29482001)
Anything and everything will be used for weapons. All, from nuclear reactions ultrafast computers to water pipes and sugar.

The problem with weapons is not that science and technology allow more and more. Say, Pol Pot's regime, or the Rwanda genocide, have shown that large-scale atrocities can be perpetrated using very low-tech means.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:01AM (#29481981)
Yep, if it works at all, ITAR will slap it with a "Don't even think about using this for anything" label.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by toss1 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:25AM (#29485046)
No, if they slap a label on it, it isn't "Don't Use It", it is "Don't even think about exporting this without permission.". It may have been relaxed, but regular IR cameras that we can buy and use here everyday in the US may land you in jail for selling them in eBay and shipping them to a customer in China or Iran. But we can buy, sell, and use them freely.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:12PM (#29490588)
To say that's a gross oversimplification is putting it mildly.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by toss1 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:32PM (#29490802)
Of course it is! It's not an essay on the details of the massive security bureaucracy surrounding military-use goods that provide the United States with a critical military or intelligence advantage.

It's merely a 2-sentence comment to slightly improve the previous oversimplification by indicating the ITAR focus is on exporting, not domestic use — it's even in the name: "International Traffic in Arms Regulations".

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by pomian on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:23PM (#29487575)
or even to Canada
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by AnthonBerg on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:44AM (#29483220)
Cool!

Here's the DOI.org link to the paper for other readers’ convenience – the article only has the DOI code: https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abk2593

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by sound1 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:53AM (#29482248)
Reminds me of Enchroma glasses for the colorblind: https://youtu.be/hqHlIRZnF38
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by jcims on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:11AM (#29482026)
Reminds me of this experiment from Ben Krasnow using thermal paint - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgS0hTKBLXM
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by the__alchemist on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @08:15AM (#29484300)
Article link https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356757012_Detecting...

(Click "Download full text PDF")

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by nullc on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:29AM (#29481839)
If I'm not misunderstanding the paper this shows extremely low quantum efficiencies-- doesn't sound like it would be useful without massive increases in QE.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by the__alchemist on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:11AM (#29484835)
Question re this: > Although the development of mid-IR (MIR) sources is evolving, a bottleneck con- tinues to be producing low-noise room tem-perature detectors

How do these relate to the relatively cheap IR cameras available? Eg, both commercial IR cameras, and military NVGs work at room temperature (Using different technologies). For example, are the devices lamented about in the article high-precision scientific instrument that can detect very fine differences in freq?

edit: This may be the key: > The noise-equivalent power of hybrid nanocavity- molecular detectors is predicted to be 100-fold lower than commercial uncooled detectors.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by drewm1980 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:04AM (#29483368)
For additional context about the lead:

https://www.cei.washington.edu/education/science-of-solar/pe...

"while the best-performing perovskites are today made with a small amount of lead, researchers are also exploring alternative compositions and new encapsulation strategies, in order to mitigate concerns associated with lead toxicity."

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by zbyforgotpass on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:59AM (#29487215)
The "magnifying" part of this is probably just a red herring - in the article itself there is nothing about the magnifying effect.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by tabokie on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:02AM (#29483343)
I've always wanted glasses that can convert color to grey-scale. Wear them and walk into a black-and-white movie.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by jayd16 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:37AM (#29486900)
You could use Oculus Quest passthrough video, I suppose. Grayscale alone doesn't give you a black and white movie feel, though.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by philprx on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:34AM (#29482143)
Years ago I stumbled upon something related: it was a piece of transparent polymer or polycarbonate that would glow when exposed to infrared light.

I tried to find it again repeatedly, but never managed to find it. Anyone knows this?

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by filmor on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:35AM (#29482736)
Do you mean something like this http://www.bromba.com/indicard/indicare.htm? I remember that we used this in experiments with IR lasers to ensure that the beam was where we expected it to be.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by marcodiego on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:35AM (#29485160)
Why not show a single image of the device in use?
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by leephillips on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:47AM (#29485298)
Current browsers don’t support infrared images.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:15AM (#29482327)
So, is this something that can actually make infrared light visible, or a coating that can be applied directly to sensors?

(I suspect the headline is simply clickbait/a lie, just like most university press releases.)

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by tinus_hn on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:18AM (#29482341)
Not unimaginable, a similar coating is on the inside of fluorescent lighting tubes.
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by jeffwass on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:34AM (#29482402)
Not really, the coating on fluorescent tubes uses a quite different mechanism.

The phosphor coating of fluorescent tubes downconverts UV light into visible wavelengths (is, lower energy/frequency) through the process of fluorescence. The UV photons excite the electrons of the phosphor molecules to higher energy states, after which they emit photons at lower frequencies/energies (visible light) as they fluoresce back to the ground state.

In this case however, the IR to visible light conversion actually increases the energy and frequency of emitted photons.

Total energy must be conserved, so extra energy is incorporated in some way for the upconversion.

There was a plastic film material I saw a few decades ago that lights up when you shine infrared light on it, which was useful for testing IR transmitters and receivers. IIRC, that material only worked when it was bathed in visible light for some time prior to use, where the absorbed visible light acted as an energy bath to provide the required energy for the photon upconversion.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by tinus_hn on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:21AM (#29483065)
There is no fundamental limitation that would prevent the conversion of multiple IR photons into a single photon of some kind of visible light.

The purpose here is to make the light visible, not to do a 100% efficient conversion.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by moring on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:52AM (#29482503)
"These shaking molecules can donate their energy to visible light that they encounter"

The extra energy comes from visible light. To me it sounds a bit like how transistors amplify a signal without violating energy conservation.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by philprx on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:06AM (#29482578)
Do you have an URL or reference for this film?

Thanks.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by ted_dunning on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:34AM (#29486846)
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by krkoch on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:51AM (#29482496)
Does this glass need a power supply, or do two ir photons join to make a visible photon? A reverse of scintillation?
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by bowejg on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:11AM (#29482605)
It's using upconversion so it's 'powered' by the shorter wavelength light shining onto it
Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by londons_explore on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:10AM (#29483400)
Why do scientists who seem to select gold as the ideal material for almost anything?

Is it actually a better material, or do scientists just want to be able to put in a purchase order for some gold and have shiny photos on all the media reports?

Yes, I know it has a low reactivity - but stainless steel is pretty good there too, as well as a bunch of other materials. It also has a high conductivity - but copper is pretty decent.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by Karliss on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:42AM (#29485237)
Stainless steel still corrodes under harsh conditions.

One of the mechanisms for why stainless steel is has low reactivity is through passivation. The elements mixed into stainless steel alloy quickly form a thin oxide layer in normal atmosphere which prevents further corrosion similar to aluminum or titanium. That's good enough for structural use but not the same as actually chemically inert elements.

There is also aspect of what happens in more conditions like being pulverized to the nanoparticle size or vaporized and deposited at few atom thin layer.

Silver and copper actually have better thermal and electric conductivity than gold, but they don't have the other good properties gold has.

Also it's at the bottom of periodic table (usable part) which might be important for certain interactions and correlates with extremes of multiple properties. There is one more row lower, but most of those elements are radioactive, not occurring naturally or both, which eliminates almost any practical use, complicates research and introduces new weird properties.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by ChrisMarshallNY on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @08:46AM (#29484609)
Gold is an awesome conductor, and, more importantly, it is nearly impervious to corrosion.

That’s why it’s used in circuit board solder points and various types of plugs.

I think that platinum may be slightly better, but it is even more expensive.

Gold electroplating is not for the faint of heart. They use cyanide as a catalyst. At one of the companies I worked for, they had 50-gallon drums of cyanide, down in the electroplating lab.

Re:Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infr... by dtgriscom on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:26AM (#29483500)
Stainless steel isn't an element, it's an alloy. You (probably?) can't plate stainless steel onto a surface.