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Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by danr4 on Friday December 03, 2021 @08:46PM (#29437878)
Lived in Tel-Aviv most of my adult life. Anyone who lived there long enough would tell you it was a matter of time until it "wins" this title.

It also has awful public transportation and terrible housing market. It's still one of the most fun cities in the world: Good weather, amazing night life and cuisine, decent job market, walkable, Gay+420 friendly

I make a point to tell anyone who asks me about Israel that Tel-Aviv is the best city in the world for a vacation, but unless you're rich don't live there.

Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by bogomipz on Saturday December 04, 2021 @04:09AM (#29439685)
I was curious about the fact that you characterized it as "has awful public transportation" and is also "walkable." Would you say if you live in the city center then the latter means the former doesn't matter too much then?
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by danr4 on Saturday December 04, 2021 @07:31AM (#29440437)
That is somewhat true. The main issue is getting out of/into the city center. For example, getting to the big tech park of tel aviv (Ramat HaHayal) can take over an hour with a bus. So people take cars, but then there's so much traffic and lack of parking, it also takes an hour. Not much for someone who lives in the US but you can essentially drive half of Israel in an hour.

It also makes visiting family , which is a big thing in Israeli culture and enabled by short distances, very annoying if you don't have a car.

Scooters and e-bikes "solved" a lot of these troubles inside the city, but infrastructure hadn't caught up - not enough bike lanes make it very dangerous and injuries and even deaths are not uncommon. The upcoming newly built intercity tram should theoretically also help.

Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by lozenge on Saturday December 04, 2021 @08:05AM (#29440579)
Yes, it's walkable for your daily needs, and people normally do a lot of errands by walking as well. But not to work.

Also, the lack of bus service during Shabbat means everybody needs a car just to go see their family every Friday, which then means you're a car owner and more tempted to create traffic the rest of the week. Since 2019, Tel Aviv mayor used a loophole in the Shabbat law - by offering busses for free they are able to run during Shabbat, but the area covered is small.

Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by novok on Saturday December 04, 2021 @05:13PM (#29444776)
Why hasn't tel-aviv made a metro yet? It's not the USA, there are many people from europe who have had a good experience with metros in their home countries, it's not poor and it's not Houston sized sprawling either.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by names_are_hard on Sunday December 05, 2021 @12:11AM (#29446894)
They're working on it. Excavation is indeed a pain, there's a lot of extra traffic recently due to the construction, and people complain about the noise too. But it's happening.

I don't expect it to help much with the Shabbat issue, but politics are hard to predict so we'll see.

Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by rsj_hn on Saturday December 04, 2021 @05:15PM (#29444800)
I would imagine that excavation in Tel Aviv would be a huge pain, and previously there were a lot of security concerns with bunching people up in a metro. Perhaps now things have quieted down but the land has gotten very expensive.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by novok on Saturday December 04, 2021 @05:17PM (#29444812)
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by Waterluvian on Saturday December 04, 2021 @12:06AM (#29438835)
I’ve got to imagine there’s dozens of comparable cities and that humans are just hopelessly and wonderfully romantic about what they think is the best.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by danr4 on Saturday December 04, 2021 @07:41AM (#29440483)
I don't think "awful public transportation and terrible housing market" is wonderfully romantic.

I'm very critical of the city and the country, but I've traveled across the US and most of western Europe, and have yet to find a comparable example.

I don't know what's the secret sauce, but I think it's somewhat correlated to Israel's disproportionate success in tech - only the currency in the high risk high reward equation is fun, and is fueled by the Israeli "chutzpa" culture.

Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by legerdemain on Friday December 03, 2021 @11:09PM (#29438623)
How many years since a religiously motivated killing at a pride parade?
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by koheripbal on Saturday December 04, 2021 @08:27AM (#29440689)
I heard about one incident a few years ago. Were there more?
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by names_are_hard on Sunday December 05, 2021 @12:06AM (#29446856)
There was a stabbing at the Jerusalem parade in 2015. I don't recall one ever happening in Tel Aviv but I might be mistaken. The two cities are separated by a distance of 65 kilometers, 5-10 degrees Celsius, and 200 years of cultural change.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by panda88888 on Friday December 03, 2021 @09:41PM (#29438193)
I was surprised that San Francisco was not in the top ten, then the article explains that the index tracks products and services which I presume excluding housing cost. However, I am still surprised Los Angeles ranks higher than SF.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by dragonwriter on Saturday December 04, 2021 @12:32AM (#29438943)
> However, I am still surprised Los Angeles ranks higher than SF.

Its a ranking of 173 major world cities; by population, San Francisco is somewhere near 650 in the world; it probably isn't even considered.

Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by wwtrv on Saturday December 04, 2021 @03:17AM (#29439528)
The population Tel Aviv is 0.46 million which is half of San Francisco’s (even if the rest of the Bay area is excluded)
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by BayAreaEscapee on Saturday December 04, 2021 @08:07AM (#29440587)
If you move your mouse cursor over on top of the graph on economist.com, you can see that there is a bubble representing SF.

Like the parent comment, I was also surprised that LA was considered more expensive than SF.

Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by thecopy on Saturday December 04, 2021 @04:07AM (#29439675)
Zurich has ~440k and its in the list.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by novok on Saturday December 04, 2021 @02:09AM (#29439305)
Many of these indexes use area cost / area income as the inaffordability measure.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by jchonphoenix on Saturday December 04, 2021 @02:04PM (#29443383)
Lived in LA and SF. This article's research is poorly done. Ask 100 people who have been in both cities and 99 will say SF comes out significantly more expensive.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by novok on Saturday December 04, 2021 @05:23PM (#29444851)
But how much more income do you make in SF? I think most of these measures are based on cost / income. Also you tend to be bound to US / CA wide pricing in SF beyond a few very local services, so you can take advantage of cheaper consumer good pricing from the large US market.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by RandyRanderson on Saturday December 04, 2021 @03:23AM (#29439547)
Site is not responding but it's hard to believe this - must not be taking into account income. This seems like a more reasonable ranking (HK, Vancouver, etc):

https://www.geographyrealm.com/these-cities-are-the-most-una...

Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by clpm4j on Friday December 03, 2021 @07:59PM (#29437599)
Top 10 most expensive cities according to this article:

1. Tel Aviv

2. Paris

3. Singapore

4. Zurich

5. Hong Kong

6. New York

7. Geneva

8. Copenhagen

9. Los Angeles

10. Osaka

Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by nikolay on Friday December 03, 2021 @10:54PM (#29438560)
Where's San Fran?!
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by LilBytes on Friday December 03, 2021 @08:32PM (#29437800)
Surprising Sydney isn't to be found on this list.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by hackerfromthefu on Sunday December 05, 2021 @01:06AM (#29447159)
14th
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by crocwrestler on Saturday December 04, 2021 @04:29AM (#29439753)
No mention of London? Strange.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by captainbland on Saturday December 04, 2021 @07:08AM (#29440361)
I'm not that surprised, the pound is still fairly weak compared to historical averages which is likely to have knocked it down international rankings like this.

The only one of these on the list I have any experience with though is Paris, the main thing I remember is that eating out there seemed to be a lot more expensive than London for the rough equivalent and an amount that would get you an ok place to stay in London got me absolute garbage in Paris. But this is all vague personal experience anecdotes.

Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by 1_player on Saturday December 04, 2021 @10:18AM (#29441339)
Meanwhile I'm not surprised to see two Swiss cities in the list. I live in London, my brothers live in Switzerland in a city 1/80th the population, and I feel I can live like a king compared to the prices over there. And everything's privatised, so you have to pay even more than normal European standards.
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by reducesuffering on Saturday December 04, 2021 @01:41AM (#29439198)
This index has SF at #3 and Houston at #4 in North American cities? Methodology must be quite flawed...
Re:Tel Aviv is the world’s most expensive city by bern4444 on Friday December 03, 2021 @10:27PM (#29438423)
I seriously doubt Tel Aviv is more expensive than NYC on housing/rent costs alone.