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Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by azinman2 on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @12:32PM (#29406560)
Yup… because their jobs may then go abroad as has been the trend for the past 20 years…
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by willheis on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @12:41PM (#29406697)
This happened to everything it could at least 10 years ago. It turns out that if you want software that works (at all), you need to pay people well, regardless of where they are in the world. Stop reenforcing this notion that leads to massive overwork and burnout in the US (+ Canada). Germany, the UK, Sweden, etc all have much, much better working conditions for software devs and their jobs aren't going away
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by giantg2 on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @01:09PM (#29407051)
I hear that many of the European countries have lower dev salaries than the US. So maybe better conditions, but possibly lower pay.

Our company just started outsourcing IT 5 years ago. It's still expanding that policy.

Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by dukeyukey on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @01:16PM (#29407145)
> I hear that many of the European countries have lower dev salaries than the US. So maybe better conditions, but possibly lower pay.

While arguably true, it's almost definitely not better conditions to blame. A more likely source is the massive and relatively homogenous US market, a culture open to immigration, and the huge reserves of capital sloshing about the country.

Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by giantg2 on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @02:21PM (#29407967)
Yeah, I'm not saying they are related. Just saying it can be a trade-off between higher pay and fewer hours and there are many variables to consider when comparing internationally.
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by skeeter2020 on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @01:51PM (#29407568)
the significantly higher direct and indirect taxes are definitely related though
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by dukeyukey on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @02:37PM (#29408155)
You'd be surprised.

Like, if we take taxes as a percentage of GDP as a figure, the US scores pretty well at about 27%. But Australia is at 28%, Canada at 32%, and even the UK at 33%. The differences aren't massive here. He'll, Ireland comes in at 23%.

Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by Manouchehri on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @05:10PM (#29409786)
My average personal income tax rate was well over 40% during my last year in Canada. (The marginal rate is/was 53.53%.)

Even a high tax state like California would have a five figure amount less owed in taxes than Ontario at certain income levels.

Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by skeeter2020 on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @01:50PM (#29407562)
This is not my experience. Overseas devs have only gotten better and more tightly aligned with the west in the past 10 years. The idea of throwing your work over then fence to the cheapest jurisidiction may have died but there are significant cost savings in going overseas, especially as westerners get more expensive and remote work grows
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by Daishiman on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @02:31PM (#29408099)
And good overseas devs have gotten far, far more expensive.
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by halfmatthalfcat on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @12:34PM (#29406600)
An ultimately the company will suffer in quality, be bought by private equity and gutted in the next twenty years.
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by RexM on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @12:37PM (#29406655)
Unfortunately, most companies aren't looking past the next few quarters.
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by cultofmetatron on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @01:24PM (#29407233)
Some of my best (ie: most profitable per hour jobs) were rescuing projects that were sent abroad.
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by nickff on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @01:46PM (#29407509)
This seems like it could be survivor-ship bias; i.e. your highest margin jobs weren't those that had been sent abroad, they were the ones that failed after having been sent abroad.
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by yupper32 on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @01:13PM (#29407111)
If they could they would.

I remember being told over 10 years ago as I was entering the field of software that I shouldn't bother: my job is going to be outsourced soon enough.

This is just a scare tactic with little teeth. Not to say it doesn't happen, but it doesn't happen enough for it to be a consideration.

Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @12:37PM (#29406660)
You can't ship pretty much any service industry job abroad.
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by klipklop on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @12:46PM (#29406763)
That’s why they are working so hard on AI, drones and robots.
Re:Is the four-day workweek finally within our grasp? by yardie on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @01:15PM (#29407136)
They are perpetually 3-5 years away. This is why there is a shortage now. We've told an entire generation not to take those jobs, they're going to be automated anyway. 2021 arrives and still no FSD trucks, no robotized fast food, and no last mile drone delivery. Not only did these companies convince investors labor wasn't necessary, they also managed to convince labor labor wasn't necessary.