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Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by drawqrtz on Saturday November 06, 2021 @04:31AM (#29128410)
I would have loved to live in ancient Maya or Aztec times. Playing ōllamalitzli with the boys, cracking open some cocoa, in the evening watch a proper offering to the sun god. Maybe a bit more violent and shorter than modern life but definitely more exciting.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by ashtonkem on Saturday November 06, 2021 @05:54AM (#29128884)
Feels like a good place to visit, not live. My sneaking suspicion is that subsistance farming feels pretty similar no matter what century and empire you do it in, and that’s the boring stuff that doesn’t make it into the history books.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by i_am_proteus on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:06AM (#29129890)
Pre-Columbian farming in South/Central America was substantially less labor-intense than in Europe and Asia because maize has an intrinsically higher yield in terms of calories per unit labor.

The downside is that maize isn't as nutritious as wheat or rice and needs to be more heavily supplemented with proper protein from meat or pulses - or the human being becomes malnourished.

>Easily obtained, what is more, for maize has always been a crop that demands little effort. The archaeologist Fernando Marquez Miranda has given us an excellent account of the advantages enjoyed by peasants cultivating maize: it required them to work only fifty days in the year, one day in seven or eight, according to season. They were therefore free, perhaps a little too free. The maize-growing societies on the irrigated terraces of the Andes or on the lakesides of the Mexican plateaux resulted in theocratic totalitarian systems and all the leisure of the peasants was used for gigantic public works of the Egyptian type. (It is arguable whether the cause was indeed maize, or irrigation, or the dense population of societies which became oppressive from sheer weight of numbers.)[One]

[One]https://archive.org/details/BraudelFernandCivilizationAndCap... p161

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by abrowne on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:24AM (#29130003)
On the other hand, the physical labor of grinding the kernels into meal, done by women kneeling at large mortar and pestle like tool, was intense and visible in skeletal remains.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by koheripbal on Saturday November 06, 2021 @03:22PM (#29133052)
With no animals to help and no wheels... Every bit of soil had to be rolled by hand and every product carried by foot.

...it was most definitely worse than others.

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by hutzlibu on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:01AM (#29129859)
"Feels like a good place to visit, not live. "

I am pretty sure if you came "to visit" aka a tourist, you likely would not have lived too long there to settle down.

Unless you brought some modern day magic, like a gun or a smartphone, to convince them you are send from the gods and not to be sacrificed just yet.

They literally murdered babies regulary. Why would one want to visit those, except for hardcore anthropologic studies?

And subsistence farming probably did differ, depending how far away the next empire was. Some lived in total slavery and dependency and some quite undisturbed pretty much on their own (there are some villages in remote greece areas for example, claiming to never have been conquered.).

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by dang on Sunday November 07, 2021 @02:52PM (#29142853)
Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. We don't need anti-Mayan flamewars any more than anti-any-other-$thing flamewars.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by hutzlibu on Monday November 08, 2021 @01:52AM (#29146656)
Seriously?

"I would have loved to live in ancient Maya or Aztec times. Playing ōllamalitzli with the boys, cracking open some cocoa, in the evening watch a proper offering to the sun god. Maybe a bit more violent and shorter than modern life but definitely more exciting."

The thread was literally about people wanting to enjoy human sacrifice and I expressed my disgust with that.

I am not anti-mayan, nor anti aztec, nor anti historic-german tribes who practiced human sacrifice, too (which would be my heritage). There are many interesting things in their way of life. But I am anti to people who like those cultures today, because of the blood and gore.

So anyway, expressing interest in human sacrifice, is ok here, but not expressing discomfort with that, because this might cause flame wars? Well, good to know.

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by dang on Monday November 08, 2021 @10:40AM (#29150385)
That quote doesn't say what you're describing, and of all the things to get upset about on the internet, imagining that other people enjoy human sacrifice and then getting mad about it is surely among the most avoidable.

Perhaps it would be helpful to explain how this becomes a moderation issue. It's because we can't play both indignation games and curiosity games at the same time. The former very quickly drowns out and burns up the latter. HN is supposed to be for curiosity games. Therefore when people start playing indignation games (and that is certainly not just you—the temptation is ubiquitous) we try to get them to stop and to return to the intended spirit of the site.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by hutzlibu on Monday November 08, 2021 @11:11AM (#29150736)
" in the evening watch a proper offering to the sun god. Maybe a bit more violent and shorter than modern life but definitely more exciting"

Yes, maybe I should have just asked, what exactly does he mean by "proper offering to the sun god" in the combination of "maybe a bit more violent" but "definitely more exciting".

Because that just sounds like human sacrifice in that context to me. Along with other quotes like that in that thread. "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29129436" So clear, that I did not see much point in asking. So yeah, I got a bit "agitated" with that. Still, in my perception I got the mod warning, for expressing disconcern with peoples lust with human sacrifice. And those people did not, because they expressed their desire in soft terms.

It is allright. I probably just seek more other places now again.

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by halfmatthalfcat on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:07AM (#29129903)
I think there's some romanticization going on, which is fine to an extent.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by quinnjh on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:59AM (#29137962)
Seems like your info might be a little erm- spaniard leaning. Not dismissing the sacrifices but dont turn a blind eye to the roots of the west - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Moloch-ancient-god
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Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by politician on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:10AM (#29130852)
Fantastic result. Just as predicted— there is no acceptable way to engage with this comment on HN.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by AlotOfReading on Saturday November 06, 2021 @01:40PM (#29132179)
Because it's factually incorrect. The Maya didn't have a particularly notable tradition of infanticide and they weren't common sacrifices.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by hutzlibu on Saturday November 06, 2021 @05:31PM (#29133981)
Ah yes, the Maya did not have the tradition like the inca to bury 100 human and lamita babies alive on solstice. And I am not an expert in the various rites of human sacrifice. But what I understand is, that a sacrifice is more powerful, if the sacrifice is more valuable.

So if this was the norm:

"Some other sacrifice related practices include burning victims alive, dancing in the skin of a skinned victim, taking head trophies, cannibalism, drinking a deceased relative's bathwater, and sprinkling sacrificial blood around sanctuaries"

then the only reason for them to not sacrifice babies regulary (but I am pretty sure they did so on occasion, too) would be, if they would not deem them worthy enough. So my point kind of still stands: why would you want to visit such folks?

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by hutzlibu on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:48AM (#29131198)
Then why did you? Did you expect a nuanced discussion from your statement?
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by politician on Saturday November 06, 2021 @07:24PM (#29134828)
I had hoped we might talk about chilling effects and our willingness to engage in self-censorship to please the collective.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by hutzlibu on Sunday November 07, 2021 @05:30AM (#29138129)
So something very offtopic. And I do not know why you bring it, nor your point.

People are arguing that my baby sacrifice point might be exaggerated and they might be right, so?

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by jazzyjackson on Saturday November 06, 2021 @01:08PM (#29131908)
sir, this is a technology forum
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by dunefox on Saturday November 06, 2021 @01:31PM (#29132098)
Why? I certainly won't.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by h2odragon on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:38AM (#29130089)
We're giants, with no scars and no disfigurations. Wouldn't that be enough magic? Most of us are utterly ignorant of the most basic skills that would be universal in such times; further evidence that we must be if not Gods then the swaddled products of some form of divine grace.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by hutzlibu on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:55AM (#29130221)
They believed everything is magic and from the gods. And the priests interpreted the signs. So yeah, maybe the signs said for you to be treated as a king. And then to be sacrificed the next day. A special sacrifice.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by konart on Saturday November 06, 2021 @06:13AM (#29128987)
Many places in the world can offer you such life even now. Yet you are writing it from a cozy sofa or something.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by dr_dshiv on Saturday November 06, 2021 @07:53AM (#29129436)
Can you imagine the feeling of watching a human sacrifice in a crowd of 10,000 people? Or watching the king pierce his own penis with a stingray spine? The blood! And still-beating hearts! The collective empathy induced by these powerful experiences, specifically the affective resonance, would be a powerful binding force. Especially when combined with the pounding music and (occasionally) psychedelics [1].

Wikipedia has a nice article on Mayan human sacrifice [2]. It all sounds so brutal, but then again, so is Squid Game.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenics_and_the_Maya

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Maya_cultur...

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by oblib on Saturday November 06, 2021 @05:27PM (#29133950)
We still have capital punishment so, yeah.

I'll offer that was probably not any more common in Mayan life than ours now and those glyphs and stories are a sort of example used to keep folks in check or aggrandize the rulers of the day and in regards to those not much has changed.

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by goldenManatee on Saturday November 06, 2021 @02:12PM (#29132440)
Cannot compute, mind overload, lol
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by jl6 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @04:51AM (#29128524)
There are plenty of ways to inject violence and excitement into modern life if that’s what you’re missing!
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by dunefox on Saturday November 06, 2021 @05:42AM (#29128814)
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by shrumm on Saturday November 06, 2021 @05:47AM (#29128846)
I know this isn’t the spirit of your comment but this is one of the use cases of VR that I’m most looking forward to.

We’ve invested a LOT into immersing people into past worlds - think Jurassic park for dinosaurs, plenty of TV and movies about Roman times etc. VR would make all that seem so dated and boring.

Work up a sweat running from a T-Rex - quick shower and off to work!

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by jjk166 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @10:44AM (#29130587)
Actually the first time I ever used a VR headset it was a program that put you in the dinosaur era. There were some triceratopses and hadrosaurs walking around in front of me, then I heard a branch snap behind me, I turned my head and saw a Tyrannosaurus and it was legit the scariest experience of my life. The graphics weren't even that high quality, but I don't think my flight or fight response takes the time to measure a predator's polygon count.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by agumonkey on Sunday November 07, 2021 @07:30PM (#29144992)
Lost yourself in a forest at night, you won't need a t-rex to be afraid.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by L_226 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @06:38AM (#29129094)
You may enjoy the Transformation series by Neal Asher.

A non-significant plot detail involves organisms being fitted with neural capture devices to record full sensory stimuli, before being killed/eaten by other organisms. These neural recordings are then sold to wealthy buyers who want to experience novelty.

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by prometheus76 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:54AM (#29130204)
That is also the premise behind a 1983 film called Brainstorm starring Christopher Walken.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by stareatgoats on Saturday November 06, 2021 @06:02AM (#29128921)
Looking forward to that day too. And if I may add another wish; that it becomes routine to be able immerse oneself in the ideas and culture of that time too. I realize that it is presently both easier and appeals to a larger audience to simply project our own ideas and culture onto past settings. But who knows what the future will bring. One can hope.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by d3nj4l on Saturday November 06, 2021 @08:07AM (#29129512)
Defile what I defile! Eat who I eat!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEMbLt4B4iA

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by bryanrasmussen on Saturday November 06, 2021 @04:43AM (#29128471)
think of the honor if you could actually be a proper offering to the sun god!
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by mtgx on Saturday November 06, 2021 @04:54AM (#29128547)
Being offered to the sun god - Achievement Unlocked!
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by idkwhoiam on Saturday November 06, 2021 @08:37AM (#29129706)
Sounds cool until it's your turn to sacrifice yourself to the sun god
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by bregma on Saturday November 06, 2021 @08:41AM (#29129733)
I hate to sprinkle blow on your parade, but coca was a different civilization 3000 miles and a few centuries away from both the Maya and the Aztecs. The only thing they have in common is they or their descendents eventually had their history erased by Spanish colonizers in the name of "civilization".
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by Panoramix on Saturday November 06, 2021 @08:50AM (#29129796)
OP wrote cocoa, not coca
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by ianhawes on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:11AM (#29129932)
I find it ironic that the Spanish get a bad rap for “colonizing” the Mayans, but all the evidence suggests the Mayan civilization was committing genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Modern day countries participating in human sacrifice and mass murder would similarly be invaded and the history of their actions would be altered. See: Germany in WW2.

Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by xvilka on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:53AM (#29130198)
There are many places where mass murder happens right now yet nobody is even contemplating their invasion. It happens only when there is something to take, something precious.
Re:Hundreds of ancient Maya sites hidden under Mexico reveal... by elnatro on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:46AM (#29131175)
Well two countries were invaded by USA after 11-S. At that moment both invasions were sold to the public as justified, because “security” and “for the people living there”.