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Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by hirundo on Friday November 05, 2021 @12:04AM (#29115314)
I wonder if our own species would be improved by the return of predators, say one t-rex or sabertooth per every x population. The population control would reduce our carbon footprint. Spending on chronic medical conditions that make people slower would be reduced. There would be more incentive to exercise, less lassitude and boredom. Increased violent sudden death could be considered a drawback, but look at the big picture.
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by telesilla on Friday November 05, 2021 @03:02AM (#29116201)
Our most reliable and proven form of population control is the education of girls. If we truly care about saving the species this is the most effective route available to us in the next generations along with ending the use of non-renewal energy

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Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by EdwardDiego on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:10AM (#29116609)
Exactly, this is so well documented, if anyone's still scared of a Malthusian disaster, focus on overcoming cultural biases against educating girls.
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by fallingknife on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:41AM (#29116792)
I would say that war, famine, and disease are our most proven. Education of women is speculative, as it has not been a factor in the past like the first 3, and used often as a hand wavy way for people who are smart enough to understand the math to say they are against population control.
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by qw on Friday November 05, 2021 @05:18AM (#29116997)
If we want to solve a problem, we should try to choose the solutions that don't involve killing people :-)

All trends show that the countries with low levels of poverty, high levels of education and women equality results in fewer births.

Women are able to have careers and want to finish their education and get work experience before they think of children. In countries like Scandinavia, the average age of first time mothers are increasing year by year. We also see that cities within the country with a lot of highly educated jobs have a higher age than others

Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by titzer on Friday November 05, 2021 @10:07AM (#29119436)
> If we want to solve a problem, we should try to choose the solutions that don't involve killing people :-)

The anti-natalism movement has it right IMHO. If we voluntarily limit birth to far less than replacement, overpopulation would correct itself in as little as a generation. But we won't do that, we're not wired that way. Instead, we'll keep chugging along past the carrying capacity of the biosphere and Gaia will correct our population for us, abruptly.

Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by fallingknife on Friday November 05, 2021 @07:29AM (#29117768)
I'm will absolutely concede that it may work and we should try anyway. But correlation != causality.
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by jholman on Friday November 05, 2021 @12:51PM (#29121817)
> correlation != causality

That's also an argument against your point about war, disease, and famine.

Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by fallingknife on Friday November 05, 2021 @02:22PM (#29122938)
When you put a sword through someone, causality is not in doubt.
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by Nasrudith on Friday November 05, 2021 @01:18PM (#29122142)
Those three are all proven - to not work in the long term! War, famine,and disease tend to be followed by increased reproduction. A combination of sadism and intuitiveness are the only "advantages" of the four "proven" appoaches of the horsemen and arrogant know-nothing social darwinists.

Education of women is linked to a more K-Stategy approach among many other reasons on a personal level (ambitions to a higher purpose, learning in detail all of the cringe inducing ways an already known to be painful birth can go wrong for you and your children). K-strategy is all about quality over quantity which is what we actually want and need anyway. While a largely uneducated nation may say export the most logs with a large uneducated populace with handtools as lumberjacks - what they need from the transaction is money and lumber is better. And from there to furniture and a more advanced industrial economy.

Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by fallingknife on Friday November 05, 2021 @02:22PM (#29122940)
Well that's a really good point!
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by aliswe on Friday November 05, 2021 @08:14AM (#29118119)
I'm not trying to be snarky - but take moment to google "population control education"
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by titzer on Friday November 05, 2021 @10:04AM (#29119390)
> Our most reliable and proven form of population control is...

limited resources.

Education has got nothing on starvation.

Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by mc32 on Friday November 05, 2021 @12:07AM (#29115332)
That’s ridiculous. In parts of India and Africa, people live among tigers and they fend themselves off just fine. In rural America we have bears and we fend them off. Sure cities lack those predators, but cars make up for that.

You just want more Covid, but I bet you don’t actually want more covid.

Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by adrianN on Friday November 05, 2021 @02:35AM (#29116094)
The most effective predators of humans are other humans. And in places where such predation happens regularly, e.g. countries with long lasting wars, there is indeed a lot less trouble with chronic medical issues, but there is no evidence that the species is improved. By all reasonable measures it is in fact a massive detriment to improvement of any kind.
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by throwawaylinux on Friday November 05, 2021 @01:17AM (#29115715)
Could we release a couple of tigers in your house for the greater good, or would they mainly inhabit places with higher contentrations of paupers and other such undesirables?
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by r00f on Friday November 05, 2021 @02:23AM (#29116042)
I doubt that at this point of our technological advance any predator could really pose such a threat to humanity in whole. No PETA in the world would save such predator from extinction, and this would come not from everyday Joe who started to excercise more, but from military and police (and maybe some other organizations, depends on real threat level)
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by TazeTSchnitzel on Friday November 05, 2021 @07:32AM (#29117787)
> The population control would reduce our carbon footprint

Most of the carbon footprint comes from a small portion of the population. The kind of people who could afford to pay for defence against the predators.

I think it would be difficult to implement your suggestion without having an effectively eco-fascist outcome.

Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by deepsun on Friday November 05, 2021 @06:13AM (#29117310)
Too unethical and non-humanitarian. We already have a smaller scale reduction of "spending on chronic medical conditions" -- COVID-19. No one considers it's "a drawback, but look at the big picture".
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by amelius on Friday November 05, 2021 @06:50AM (#29117522)
This would lead to more gun ownership.
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by puppable on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:48AM (#29116835)
Thank you, Jonathan Swift
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Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by picture on Friday November 05, 2021 @12:32AM (#29115483)
There is no need to be inflammatory
Re:The decline of baleen whales has led to a decline of kril... by jazzyjackson on Friday November 05, 2021 @02:13AM (#29116003)
right, i bet prey species experience less inflammation overall