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Re:The metaverse is bullshit by gitgud on Saturday October 30, 2021 @01:41AM (#29046268)
> "The metaverse is bullshit because it already exists, and it's called the internet

> Being 'inside' a virtual world was never really the important part"

Well, the facebook keynote presents a compelling argument how social interaction with VR can be more meaningful than through a 2D screen in many situations.

However, what IS bullshit, is the display of obviously fake demonstrations with highly experimental and expensive technology.

The reality is, most of the tech, won't be accessible or even productised for a long time, as they didn't even announce any planned dates...

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by echelon on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:08AM (#29046397)
Zuckerberg sees that anime fans and furries love spending time on VRchat and he wants to build it out for fans of football and the Kardashians.

People that buy Louis Vuitton are going to shell out for NFT metaverse skins and wear dorky headsets.

That totally tracks.

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by MrScruff on Saturday October 30, 2021 @05:52AM (#29047442)
What is true is that the amount of time people spend finessing their fictional online persona vs their boring reality is dramatically shifting, particularly for younger generations.

It's now common for some to use stylized/beautified cartoon 'avatars' in a professional context. People communicate using contrived and performative message board speak with coworkers. Even the 'influencers' spend a large chunk of their life editing and constructing an unrecognisable version of themselves.

If you meet some of these people in real life it's obvious why they do so - reality is too dull, too expensive in time and effort to find a way of standing out from the crowd. Online you can pretend to be whatever you want to be. I see this trend continuing.

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by bagels on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:22AM (#29046478)
I have no idea what's going to happen, but computers used to be a thing for "nerds", now everybody uses them every day.
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by TaXaZ on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:33AM (#29046540)
The nerd move on to nerd out the next big things. Nerds by definition find a niche to stand out and life goes on...
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by bitwize on Saturday October 30, 2021 @01:20PM (#29050473)
Well, normie kids did glom onto Fortnite en masse, and then started bullying each other over their Fortnite avatars' equipment...
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by nowherebeen on Saturday October 30, 2021 @01:55AM (#29046337)
Makes me wonder if that's the whole point. Kind of like a carrot on a stick. While Facebooks business practices continues as normal.
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by tonyedgecombe on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:12AM (#29046421)
>Makes me wonder if that's the whole point.

A distraction from all the criticism they are currently receiving.

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by JohnFen on Saturday October 30, 2021 @08:07AM (#29048142)
For me, this is the showstopper. If Facebook is involved, that pretty much poisons the well.
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by theurbandragon on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:12AM (#29046418)
What percentage of total internet traffic runs though Facebook and how much "market share" will be enough?
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by VRay on Saturday October 30, 2021 @01:54AM (#29046334)
What’re you talking about? You can make a low end VR headset out of a $100 smartphone and a $5 plastic box today

5-10 years after VR starts to really take off, you’ll be able to get a decent standalone VR headset for $200 or less. They’ll probably be cheaper to make than laptops or TVs in the long run because of the smaller displays.

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by alpaca128 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:11AM (#29046712)
> You can make a low end VR headset out of a $100 smartphone and a $5 plastic box today

That's not low end VR, it's pain and frustration from knowing you just wasted 105 bucks.

It sounds to me like you never tried a setup like this. Because in reality you mainly spend time adjusting the lenses because focus is so bad you can't even tell which setting is better. The pixel grid is so huge that reading any form of text (like menus) is near impossible. The latency is bad and your view constantly drifts over time because the phone sensors don't cut it, so you better sit on a rotating chair. Oh, and if you've all that covered somehow you'll realize mediocre VR video players and bad rollercoaster demos are pretty much the best phone VR can offer.

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by VRay on Saturday October 30, 2021 @10:57AM (#29049268)
haha, easy there killer. I hate Google Cardboard for poisoning the well just as much as everyone in this subthread does

Someone was going on and on about how Facebook is showing off a (likely) $50,000 prototype and I was just explaining that 2021's $50,000 prototype is 2031's $100 at Wal-Mart

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by gitgud on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:37AM (#29046552)
> "You can make a low end VR headset out of a $100 smartphone and a $5 plastic box"

Have you ever tried that? Smart phones as VR are extremely disorientating and the latency of the gyro makes it unusable.

I've got an Oculus Quest and it's amazing how well it works using the 4 camera vision-system instead of a gyro.

What they were demonstrating in the meta-verse was facial-tracking attached to VR headsets, which is super expensive experimental technology which is not going to be commercially available for quite some time.

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by boardwaalk on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:10AM (#29046705)
I agree other than facial tracking being super expensive or not commercially available, because you can get it right now[1].

[1] https://www.vive.com/us/accessory/facial-tracker/ & https://www.hp.com/us-en/vr/reverb-g2-vr-headset-omnicept-ed...

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by gitgud on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:42AM (#29046856)
Woah that's cool, I stand corrected. It's interesting they would demonstrate that as cutting edge research in the metaverse keynote then.
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by numpad0 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:59AM (#29046945)
Not instead of a gyro, Quest still uses gyro and accelerometer compensated with camera SLAM.
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by gitgud on Saturday October 30, 2021 @04:36AM (#29047110)
True, yes I meant instead of purely gyro orientation.
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by gugagore on Saturday October 30, 2021 @01:59AM (#29046364)
How am I going to have a video chat while I wear VR goggles covering half my face?
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by prawn on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:18AM (#29046457)
Avatars and eye-tracking.

https://www.oculus.com/workrooms/

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by danans on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:12AM (#29046715)
Maybe I'm old, but I don't see what advantage this has over video conferencing unless the focus of the discussion is on things - like documents, schematics, or 3d models - rather than people.

Avatars would feel like creepy cartoons because your brain knows the voice of the person but your eyes see a cartoon image.

Re:The metaverse is bullshit by brabel on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:58AM (#29046932)
In just a few minutes, most people start treating those cartoons as real people without even realizing it. Ask anyone who's tried these things (they are already available: https://www.vspatial.com/, https://www.oculus.com/blog/workrooms/)
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by hammyhavoc on Saturday October 30, 2021 @05:58AM (#29047469)
Tried it. Hated it. "Most"? Get a bigger sample size, then we'll talk.
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by a9h74j on Saturday October 30, 2021 @04:47AM (#29047163)
I don't know if this is a truism in the VR community, but the brain really does want to make consistent sense of things.
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by FeepingCreature on Saturday October 30, 2021 @08:16AM (#29048189)
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by charcircuit on Saturday October 30, 2021 @11:31AM (#29049553)
The benefit is that instead of being a cringe m*le I can be a cute little fox girl. Realistic avatars would be more creepy imo.
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by gchokov on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:03AM (#29046375)
Avatars…
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by gugagore on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:08PM (#29050949)
Avatars. Really. So what do I do to convey my facial expressions?
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by jhugo on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:05AM (#29046384)
So, 5-10 years after some indeterminate future date?
Re:The metaverse is bullshit by fouc on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:20AM (#29046467)
Smaller displays doesn't necessarily mean cheaper, I would expect requirements are higher for screens kept a few inches from the eyes.