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Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by breakingcups on Friday October 22, 2021 @09:50AM (#28957164)
I don't think I understand what you're trying to say. The colons aren't making it clear. What do you mean?
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by edot on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:01AM (#28957276)
That’s the notation for an analogy. A is to B as C is to D. For example, Fins:Fish::Feet:Humans, or Green:Trees::Blue:Water.
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by ceejayoz on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:01AM (#28957275)
Colon notation for analogies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colon_(punctuation)#Mathematic...

It translates as "Law/Constitution is to Conservatives as Gun Free Zone signs are to Liberals".

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by mogopugh on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:02AM (#28957286)
"X:Y :: A:B" an anachronistic way of saying "X is to Y as A is to B". Meaning, "A and B are related to one another in a similar kind of way that X and Y are related to one another".
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by singlow on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:52AM (#28958002)
I don't think it's anachronistic, maybe arcane. Its a formal logic symbol which was also used by standardized test writers like the SAT. The SAT removed those questions because they were ineffective at assessment, not because the notation was out of favor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colon_(punctuation)#Mathematic...

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by mogopugh on Friday October 22, 2021 @11:33AM (#28958499)
> Its a formal logic symbol

I've never seen this notation used in modern mathematical logic papers. I've even had (non-US) logic phds ask me about this notation.

> which was also used by standardized test writers like the SAT. The SAT removed those questions because they were ineffective at assessment, not because the notation was out of favor.

Yeah, standardized tests that have since phased it out were really the only place it was used. Hence anachronistic. If you didn't take the SAT during a certain period of time there's a god chance you didn't see this notation.

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by copo233 on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:03AM (#28957310)
That makes even less sense, somehow.
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by Consultant32452 on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:13AM (#28957414)
Conservatives tend to think in terms of structure and order. That is why you will hear them babble on about things being "Unconstitutional!" all the time as if that has any meaning in the real world.

Liberals tend to think they can manifest reality just by saying the right thing. This causes them to be very vigilant about the words we use to describe things and they also think things like putting up a gun free zone sign at a school will prevent school shootings.

When a cop is beating a liberal to death with a stick, the liberal understands the cop is exercising his power and will get away with it. When a cop is beating a conservative to death with a stick the conservative will righteously complain about how that's illegal and I want this bad apple's badge number.

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by dTal on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:47AM (#28957919)
>When a cop is beating a liberal to death with a stick, the liberal understands the cop is exercising his power and will get away with it. When a cop is beating a conservative to death with a stick the conservative will righteously complain about how that's illegal and I want this bad apple's badge number.

So, conservatives are the starry-eyed idealists and the liberals are the hard-nosed realists? That's an intriguing reversal of the usual framing.

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by guerrilla on Friday October 22, 2021 @11:58AM (#28958795)
I think their point was that they're both starry-eyed idealists but it manifests in different ways.
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by Consultant32452 on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:54AM (#28958028)
Now do the other side of the analogy with liberals and gun free zone signs.
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by dTal on Friday October 22, 2021 @11:00AM (#28958092)
To be honest, I don't really understand the analogy. Guns have been prohibited in school zones since 1990. It was signed into law by George H. W. Bush. Is there some new angle on this that implicates liberals in unreasonable behavior?
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by Consultant32452 on Friday October 22, 2021 @11:12AM (#28958240)
I doubt we have the same understanding of what constitutes reasonable behavior, so I'm not sure I can answer that directly.

However, when a mass shooting of some sort occurs there is a distinct difference between how conservatives tend to respond to such a thing and how liberals do. Liberals will want more areas to be gun free zones. They will pressure businesses like grocery stores to put up gun free zone signs or push for stricter gun regulations that would not have prevented the event in the first place.

This behavior is directly analogous to the conservative behavior. The state does not care about Constitutional rights any more than mass murderers care about gun free zones. Hopefully it's understandable why this analogy might be difficult to get for both conservatives and liberals because it is difficult to step outside ones entire worldview.

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by dragonwriter on Friday October 22, 2021 @12:14PM (#28959026)
> It was signed into law by George H. W. Bush.

The law signed by Bush in 1990 was struck down in 1995, but Congress made a weaker law after that.

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by anonymousiam on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:15AM (#28957450)
The fallacy of this analogy is that Law/Constitution being valued by conservatives refers to the direct rights of an individual, whereas Gun Free Zones are not a "right" of an individual, and actually infringes on the right of other individuals to "keep and bear arms".
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by Consultant32452 on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:30AM (#28957683)
That's not the meaning of the analogy.

A Constitutional right or law prevents the state from harming you in exactly the same way a gun free zone sign stops a school shooter from murdering you.

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by giantg2 on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:34AM (#28957728)
It probably would have been more clear if that was stated this way. The analogy could have multiple levels of meaning.
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by dTal on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:49AM (#28957950)
I think some people are reading it as some kind of cheap political shot, since it got flagged. From the responses it seems they were trying to make a more nuanced point, so I've vouched it.

In general, it's not a good idea to try and make a nuanced political point with something short and pithy. People invariably project the worst interpretation onto it. You need to spell out what you mean.