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Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by surfsvammel on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @07:21AM (#28916915)
Einstein seems to really deserve his iconic status in popular culture as the most brilliant mind ever. I’m not sure that he was, but that seems to be the popular image of him.

One thing that does amaze me though, is his unbelievable capacity for intuition.

Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by credit_guy on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @08:29AM (#28917357)
Some people indeed have that image. But quite a lot of other people consider Newton to be the most impactful scientist and mathematician ever. I count myself in that camp. Gauss was obviously a more brilliant mathematician than Newton, and maybe even Terry Tao, or Grothendieck, or a few others, but none of them change the the world the way Newton did. There is simply math after Newton, and math before, and they are like spacecraft vs stone tools.
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by dhimes on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:55PM (#28920368)
It's a tough call. Newton connected third dimension (up/down) to the other two; Einstein connected the fourth (time) to the other three. They both were impactful, even creators, of multiple fields of physics (sorry about the pun).
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by albrewer on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:23PM (#28920754)
I'd put Euler up there. And Laplace, Fourier, Heaviside, Lagrange, Poisson, Gauss, Jacobi, Green, and all the other guys you cover in an undergrad classical engineering degree. Our current world is literally built on their work.
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by dylan604 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:30AM (#28918484)
Even Newton himself has said "If I have seen further my self it is because I stand on shoulders of giants."
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by lmkg on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @11:00AM (#28918804)
There is some belief that when Newton said that, the actual meaning was to denigrate the contributions of Robert Hooke, who was physically infirm.
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by credit_guy on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:03PM (#28922146)
I always wondered who he had in mind when he said that. My guess would be Johannes Kepler and Tycho Brahe. But while both Kepler and Brahe qualify as giants without question, there's still a world of difference between them and Newton.
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by adgjlsfhk1 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:26AM (#28918438)
as evidenced by Leibniz, it seems like most of it would have happened without him. his work on series was probably not going to happen for a bit without him.
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by JadeNB on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:47PM (#28920257)
> as evidenced by Leibniz, it seems like most of it would have happened without him. his work on series was probably not going to happen for a bit without him.

I think that part of what was marvellous about Newton (Einstein, too) was how many things he did. As you say, it seems plausible any individual thing Newton did would have been done by someone else—probably the same is true of anyone—but it seems unlikely that any one person could have done everything Newton did.

Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by lkbm on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:37AM (#28918557)
Einstein is the only modern physicist many people can name easily (some will also get Hawkins or Feynman), and his name has become synonymous with "smart". In a poll of the general public for "who's the smartest person?" he'd win due to name recognition. Even ten-year-olds know "Einstein = smart".

I suspect that if you asked the HN crowd for their guess at the smartest person, Mozart (thanks to Hofstadter) and von Neumann would come out on top (though I might just be biased towards whom I'd answer). Tao is a likely candidate for living person.

In terms of impact, Newton is truly stand-out, though I think when it comes to math, his most significant contribution was calculus, and Leibniz came up with that independently at the same time, and we now use his version instead of Newton.

Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by zerosums on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:09PM (#28919762)
My answer within the last few decades would be Alexander Grothendieck and I’d place him higher than Tao, Scholze and any other living (or dead) mathematician within that time frame.

Few in the HN crowd understand the mathematics Grothendieck worked in and therefore cannot properly assess his contributions and intellect due to their unfamiliarity with his work.

von Neumann had savant like intelligence, but Grothendieck was in an unmatched league of his own in terms of abstractions.

Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by AprilArcus on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:46AM (#28918659)
Amused that your apocryphal "easily name"d scientist "Hawkins" appears to be a confused jumbling of popular science writers Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawkins.
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by lkbm on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:11PM (#28919784)
I meant Stephen Hawking. Hadn't thought about Dawkins at all.

I was specifically thinking about physicists in that case, though I guess Neil deGrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan fall under that umbrella.

Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by hidden-spyder on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @11:42AM (#28919380)
I don't know anything about Terry Tao, but what makes you think he'll be placed above Einstein by the HN crowd?
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by lkbm on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:08PM (#28919747)
I was saying Terry Tao specifically for living people.

I also don't know a ton about him, but as someone in the math scene, he's the only modern-day mathematician I hear about with any regularity.

Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by amelius on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:48AM (#28918670)
If you'd ask about the smartest person, the HN crowd would probably name the richest person, which is Bezos or Musk (too lazy to look it up).
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by lkbm on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:20PM (#28919913)
I was wondering if Bezos, Gates, or Musk would come out as number 1, at least for living people.
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by emerged on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:59AM (#28918787)
His intuitive approach has always felt like “my” kind of smart. Just ramped up to 1000. Contrasted with someone like von-Neumann whose mind and abilities I can’t even comprehend at some basic level.
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by papito on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @07:34AM (#28916992)
Informed intuition.
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by amelius on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:19AM (#28918353)
> One thing that does amaze me though, is his unbelievable capacity for intuition.

If you partially submerge a stick into water, it appears as if the stick is broken. When a physicist first sees this phenomenon, their reaction is: space must be warped/contracted/broken! It's a strange kind of intuition.

Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by abecedarius on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:38PM (#28920146)
Einstein had such a characteristic style that his proof of the Pythagorean theorem, as a kid, is unmistakably his. That's remarkable because you might think there's just no room for anything so simple to bear a personal stamp.
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by mnadkvlb on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:18PM (#28920686)
Can you point a book or article about that, would be a great read. Thanks in advance
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by em3rgent0rdr on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:50PM (#28922825)
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by sudders on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:06PM (#28923042)
Re:Star's strange path around black hole proves Einstein rig... by surfsvammel on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @05:45PM (#28937154)
Wow. Didn’t know about that one. Blew my mind.