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Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by gruez on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:25PM (#28913572)
Yeah, what gives? I remember they prided themselves on being profitable, self-funded and not beholden to VCs. Sure enough, I was able to confirm that with a quick search:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15074289

>Finally, Backblaze is profoundly different than CrashPlan in that we never really raised any bank financing or VC financing. We're 90% employee owned, and there are no deep pockets. CrashPlan raised something like $150 million which comes with "pressure to grow fast or die". Backblaze is free of any such pressure, we own our own fate.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21006216

> Yev here -> we HAVE to be cash-flow positive since we're not VC-funded. When we started the company it was bootstrapped, so "making enough money to survive" has always been a part of the equation!

That last comment was from 2019, yet according to the S-1, they were actually unprofitable. What's going on here? Were they profitable before, then suddenly taking on a massive loss? Their loss in 2020 was huge compared to the one in 2019.

Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by jonas21 on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:43PM (#28913667)
They didn't say they were profitable - they said they were cash-flow positive. And if you look at the cash flow statement in the S-1, they were indeed cash-flow positive in 2019.

It looks like much of the difference comes down to stock-based compensation. This doesn't cost the company any cash, but under GAAP, it has to be recorded as an expense. (IANAA, so take what I say with a grain of salt).

Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by qeternity on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:57PM (#28913753)
Backblaze was tweeting about being profitable as late as 2020: https://twitter.com/backblaze/status/1242481625004273665
Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by mcny on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:30PM (#28913908)
Can the service itself be profitable but the company not be? I mean how do we define profitable?
Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by lmm on Monday October 18, 2021 @11:10PM (#28914462)
Presumably the employees are working below-market in exchange for equity, so the company is not really profitable yet - it's sort of "ramen profitable" in that it's profitable if you don't count the full rate of the workers' time.
Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by CameronNemo on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:39PM (#28913951)
If the service is provided by employees who are compensated with equity, why would you not count that in profitability numbers?
Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by dboreham on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:50PM (#28914352)
Because that's literally one of the reasons to use equity based compensation.
Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by asdfaoeu on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:48PM (#28914344)
The figures above are with GAAP standards but as a private company do they actually have to use that?
Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by jacquesm on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @06:24AM (#28916629)
It certainly helps if you plan on going public at any point in the future.
Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by jhanschoo on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:06AM (#28914756)
Taxation, I guess?
Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by nl on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @08:56AM (#28917554)
There's a lot of ways to measure "profitable".

Judging from their current numbers the service is profitable on a per user basis, less marketing expenses.

This is a pretty reasonable way to look at it. Being cashflow positive means you can turn up marketing to grow and turn it down if needed.

Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by jacquesm on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @06:24AM (#28916627)
Being cash-flow positive does not necessarily imply being profitable. The one is a day-to-day indication on whether or not you are able to make ends meet without outside funding, the other one is the basis on which you will pay - or not - taxes. It is absolutely possible to be cash-flow positive but not yet profitable, especially while growing.

There are many reasons why cash-flow and profitability can be out of step with each other, for instance, you might have capital expenditures that are going to influence future years' books, you might have an interest carrying bank loan, you may have invested money into acquiring users whose lifetime value is larger than the cost to acquire them but you haven't broken even on that yet, it's possible to have the reverse and so on.

Accounting for all this - and doing so properly - is not as easy as it may seem to be for an outsider or someone who is used to just sell their own hours, where you can immediately see the difference between income and costs and label that profits.

And even there the situation can get more complex, for instance, if work is done in one year but the invoice is sent in the next. Profit wise you are booking that money in the year the work was done, even if the actual cash only lands in the next. Pre-paid services are even more complicated (here you typically partition a chunk of the income month-by-month until the total amount is accounted for).

Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by Mxs2000 on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:44PM (#28913683)
If you examine the financial statements you will see that they were Cash Flow positive in 2019 (but not in 2020).

It’s also important to note that being cash flow positive is not the same as being GAAP/IFRS profitable (Net Income).

Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by KennyBlanken on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:18AM (#28915340)
Ahhh yes, Crashplan, the company that purposefully locked everyone out of their backups when they shut down their personal backup service.

I had a drive fail and I thought I was OK...and then I discovered that my Crashplan backup archives on my own server were unreadable after they shut down Crashplan personal backup services.

I couldn't even install the client, either - they silently updated the client to have a logic time bomb and refuse to install.

Re:Backblaze S-1 IPO by thehappypm on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @09:15AM (#28917706)
It's also not a really bad profit margin. $54M in revenue, $6M in net losses. It's not hard to see how they can right the ship -- perhaps they have scaled up enough to stop needing to spend so much, or they'll just continue to gain economies of scale.