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Re:Pop OS – System76 by keb_ on Monday October 18, 2021 @01:18AM (#28902445)
Installed it on a Dell XPS13 recently. It's great except I have to restart GNOME every couple hours because of of annoying visual glitch that makes all text disappear.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by k1rcher on Monday October 18, 2021 @01:57AM (#28902660)
If you’re on an Intel CPU Linux loves screen tearing. Create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf And add this:

Section "Device" Identifier "Intel Graphics" Driver "intel" Option "TearFree" "true" EndSection

Might fix your issues.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by kaladin-jasnah on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:52AM (#28904104)
The formatting on the X11 configuration is off. Maybe indent or use two line breaks in the editor? Anyway, it should look like this:

  Section "Device" 
    Identifier "Intel Graphics" 
    Driver "intel" 
    Option "TearFree" "true"
  EndSection
Re:Pop OS – System76 by k1rcher on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @11:15AM (#28918996)
Yes you are correct! First time trying to post a code block from mobile, cheers.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by solarkraft on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:15AM (#28904246)
Woah woah woah woah.

Why would anyone without an Nvidia card be using X? You have to go out of your way to use this antiquated and deprecated technology with Gnome nowadays and screen tearing is specifically one of its problems.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by PolCPP on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:46AM (#28904444)
If it's on a laptop: Fractional scaling. On wayland you can get some blurry apps (iirc xwayland apps) and on xps 13" (unless its the oled probably with it's weird resolution) integer scaling isn't good enough tbh
Re:Pop OS – System76 by pmontra on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:37AM (#28904374)
Does Wayland finally support screensharing apps, both native and web? That's what is keeping me on X11 plus an NVIDIA card.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by JoiDegn on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:54AM (#28904482)
Yes, kind of. Works fine using pipewire for me. You can't share the entire screen, only individual windows which is my preferred option anyways.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by pmontra on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:05AM (#28915291)
Thanks. It's still too early to switch for me.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by k1rcher on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @11:17AM (#28919023)
It seems Wayland still has some issues with dual monitors and higher resolution (note: I am following the PopOS configuration guide on the frame.work forums. I’ll probably give Wayland a try later today as I wasn’t aware of this.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by mazugrin2 on Monday October 18, 2021 @12:55PM (#28907700)
Try adding 'i915.enable_psr=0' to your kernel params. This fixes a weird bug I encountered where text would disappear, or weirdly not disappear when it should have disappeared. Hopefully this helps!
Re:Pop OS – System76 by johannes_ne on Monday October 18, 2021 @01:21AM (#28902460)
Have you tried switching to Wayland?
Re:Pop OS – System76 by hsn915 on Monday October 18, 2021 @01:41AM (#28902569)
How can people be having this kind of conversation while also claiming this is the state of the art or the gold standard in 2021?

I've been running macos since 2012 and never had such issues. That's over 10 years ago.

Of course, OS X is older than that, and as far as I can tell, it never had such issues.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by Shared404 on Monday October 18, 2021 @01:59AM (#28902672)
Not to minimize the other commenters issues, but I've never seen an issue like this, and I've run Pop on a wide variety of hardware.

And as the sibling to this comment points out, Pop only officially support their own hardware, where this would never happen.

Edit: It also seems worth pointing out that the reasons these conversations are had is that it can be fixed. Mac and Windows? Not so much in my experience. Working in a repair shop I have seen some things out of both of those that make bug's like this one look minor (remember when Windows updates decided user data didn't matter?), and there's nothing/not much you can do about it.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by ianai on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:05AM (#28905540)
Ugh Windows updates bugs! I’ve lost so much time because of it breaking.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by skinkestek on Monday October 18, 2021 @02:26AM (#28902782)
On the other hand I still cannot configure CMD-tab to work like on Windows and most Linux desktop environments ln my brand new Mac.

Keyboard navigation (moving between or selecting words or lines of text) still seems somewhat hit or miss even though it is better than when I left Mac OS behind in 2012.

Of course this might not matter to you (and I even know some of you prefer the separation between "application switching" and "window switching") but for many of us these are way larger issues than having to fix a config file once.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by PolCPP on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:50AM (#28904462)
Here: Install this, will fix how command+tab works and it's actively developed.

https://github.com/lwouis/alt-tab-macos

Re:Pop OS – System76 by skinkestek on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:49AM (#28905411)
Wow! If this works it deals with the single biggest ux problem of Mac OS for a number of us.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by pxc on Monday October 18, 2021 @12:19PM (#28907193)
Let us know how it went! I'm away from all the Macs I have access to atm
Re:Pop OS – System76 by dagw on Monday October 18, 2021 @05:09AM (#28903540)
I've been running macos since 2012 and never had such issues.

Only if you install it on a very short list of approved hardware. Try to install OS X on a random Dell laptop and you will have far greater challenges than what most Linux distros will give you.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by kaladin-jasnah on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:55AM (#28904131)
Can confirm installing macOS on unsupported hardware is very time consuming and makes me wish I had just installed Linux instead. For example, you have to manually map USB ports and install tons of random drivers to your installation media before you can get a working system. Enabling each part of the experience is a whole adventure in itself (eg. audio support requires you to set a value in the bootloader, but there are actually like five values for each kind of audio chip and you have to try each and every one until it works).

Also, WiFi support is a nightmare. Worse than I've ever had it on Linux.

Even vanilla Windows installs don't always work that well.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by jeppester on Monday October 18, 2021 @02:02AM (#28902688)
This comment seems rather disingenuous. PopOs is meant to run on System 76 machines, and this person installed it on a Dell XPS.

Do you expect to run OS X on just about any machine and not have any issues?

Re:Pop OS – System76 by sudhirj on Monday October 18, 2021 @02:08AM (#28902715)
PopOS is marketed as a general purpose distro, same as Ubuntu. Made by System76, but don't think they're claiming it doesn't work anywhere else.

They're under no obligation to test it on Dell machines, of course. The community should be doing that.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by arc-in-space on Monday October 18, 2021 @03:27AM (#28903077)
Yeah, but I think jeppester also hits on a wider, and valid, point: OS X has got it easier, only needing to provide very limited hardware support.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by sudhirj on Monday October 18, 2021 @11:11AM (#28906214)
Relatively, yes. They've now managed to support double digit configs across two CPU architectures, so from a throwing-stones-at-the-QA-team point of view it is a lot of work.

Definitely don't think System76 has that big a QA team, though, will have to be community supported as well.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by Glyptodon on Monday October 18, 2021 @01:53AM (#28902641)
My brother's hackintosh had ballparkish issues compared to an OEM Mac, not sure it's really that different.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by k1rcher on Monday October 18, 2021 @02:00AM (#28902679)
> gold standard for Linux

OS X is great for specific use cases and specific users. If you want Linux, OP is saying PopOS is the gold standard. OS X isn’t exactly in the same vein.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by pxc on Monday October 18, 2021 @12:17PM (#28907176)
Apple gets to dictate both what display server and what graphics hardware macOS users get to use. Linux distros necessarily face integration issues that Apple has never had to.

You're right that it still sucks, but this isn't a matter of Wayland being insufficiently 'advanced'. This is about relationships between enterprises as much as it is about technical challenges.

Re:Pop OS – System76 by globular-toast on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:12AM (#28904226)
If I wanted to run MacOS I would. Sometimes there are tradeoffs. You win some, you lose some.
Re:Pop OS – System76 by skrebbel on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:03AM (#28903231)
Given that you're on an XPS you likely know this: is the touch screen support & UX as good as on Windows?
Re:Pop OS – System76 by haha_lul on Monday October 18, 2021 @05:09AM (#28903541)
ThinkPad x380 user: I've had the best touch experience with GNOME 34/Fedora so far - three finger pinch/swipe to change desktops, pinch to zoom in Firefox, sane scrolling in most apps, and GNOME dashboard is touch friendly if you ever need to open apps. Maybe the jankiest part is rotation but I just try not to do that :D
Re:Pop OS – System76 by haha_lul on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @08:23AM (#28917305)
*GNOME40/Fedora 34 :D