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Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by rapsey on Friday October 15, 2021 @08:33AM (#28877025)
How would we see black dwarves?
Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by Ericson2314 on Friday October 15, 2021 @08:36AM (#28877042)
If there were bright things behind them

The universe is young, a lot of stuff hasn't happened yet. It wouldn't be surprising if we are about the earliest life of this sort that could exist.

Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by vlovich123 on Friday October 15, 2021 @09:51AM (#28877667)
I thought the cosmological expansion theory of the standard model was falling apart calling into question the Big Bang theory. If that’s the case, then are we sure we have a good handle on the age of the universe?
Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by garblegarble on Friday October 15, 2021 @10:25AM (#28877998)
Do you have any links where I can read more about that? That's fascinating and I wasn't aware, and I evidently am not using the right search terms to find out more
Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by Taek on Friday October 15, 2021 @11:47AM (#28879036)
Maybe unrelated but YouTube has been throwing a lot of faux science and astronomy at me lately. Youtubers reading controversial papers presented as indisputable even when there's no scientific consensus at all on the results.
Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by whatshisface on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:33PM (#28879671)
It's depressing to think about, but for many intents and purposes fake space facts are just as good as true space facts.
Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by 6502nerdface on Friday October 15, 2021 @01:02PM (#28880077)
Especially for purposes of monetizing YouTube videos.
Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by doublepg23 on Friday October 15, 2021 @07:08PM (#28884179)
I believe they’re referring to the “crisis in cosmology”. I’m purely a layman, but I found some videos useful. I believe at least PBS Space-Time [1] is well regarded in physics circles (for laymen explanations.). I found the other one [2] to be more digestible though.

[1] https://youtu.be/72cM_E6bsOs

[2] https://youtu.be/0sfvQ_fsil4

Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by contravariant on Friday October 15, 2021 @09:58AM (#28877743)
Depends on your perspective I suppose. Most of the stars have already formed and star formation will slowly grind to a halt in a few billion years.
Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by Ericson2314 on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:27PM (#28879588)
old and young universe then :)

At least, I can understand visualize the time scale of the universe a lot better than I can visual the length scale. Speed of light doesn't feel like 1/1 to humans!

Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by Chris2048 on Friday October 15, 2021 @08:42AM (#28877093)
A BD is still hotter than background temp, so you could maybe see faint IR, and you could initially find it as a result of its mass if there are nearby objects orbiting (although now less illuminated), or simply transitioning in front of other stars (I guess that's how they find wandering planets?).

Alternatively, map all the white dwarves, then wait long enough, then look again..

Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by kadoban on Friday October 15, 2021 @09:28AM (#28877458)
You'd probably also be able to see white dwarves that were on their way to being black (whatever the threshold is).
Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by Chris2048 on Friday October 15, 2021 @01:14PM (#28880221)
Given there are no BDs (so they are theoretical) maybe there isn't a threshold defined?

A WD will slowly cool to a BD over Trillions of years, so it's all linear. Funnily enough, they are probably every shade of red/brown in-between - but "brown dwarves" are usually reserved for objects that never where "proper" hydrogen-fusing stars, but are large enough to fuse deuterium.

Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by kijin on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:20PM (#28879487)
There's no hard threshold, the star just fades gradually from #FFF to #000.

A fully black dwarf would be so cold it would be indistinguishable from cosmic background radiation, but that's going to take at least a trillion times longer than the current age of the universe. Not just slightly longer.

Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by kadoban on Friday October 15, 2021 @01:02PM (#28880084)
Right. I'm just saying that if the are any black dwarfs (which there should not be), we should be able to find ~arbitrarily dim ones as well, down to our ability to see.
Re:We've spotted a planet surviving its dying star by dredmorbius on Friday October 15, 2021 @11:59AM (#28879197)
Gravitational lensing, most likely.

Possibly through gravitational interactions with non-dwarf stars in the same system.

There not being any yet makes either method somewhat more challenging.