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Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by ryandrake on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:19PM (#28741399)
I don’t know many WFH advocates who want to close all offices and force everyone to work from home, but many (most?) WFO advocates want to go back to the office AND have everyone else go back too. This includes almost all company execs who are pushing for a return to office. I think that’s the big difference between the camps.
Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by Grakel on Sunday October 03, 2021 @08:37PM (#28741833)
You can't be a Bossy McBosserson and get big bossy promotions if you can't poke and prod your employees in person all day.
Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by someguydave on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:38AM (#28743139)
Also cognitive skills like reading comprehension become really hard to fake when you are at home interfacing with text only. It is much easier to fake competence when you just float from meeting to meeting all day.
Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by Redoubts on Monday October 04, 2021 @04:04AM (#28744257)
Y’all work in some weird places.
Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by HappySweeney on Monday October 04, 2021 @09:32AM (#28746486)
Large orgs have many of these people.
Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by effingwewt on Sunday October 03, 2021 @09:40PM (#28742129)
Yea this all screams 'I need someone to scream at'.

Was a satirical article posted here a while back about a CEO wanting his people back so he could feel powerful again, and IMO that is 99.9% of the reason for management/C-suite's push.

Management becomes redundant/useless and c-suited only have each other to boss around, and we can't have that.

Or, as my grandparents used to say 'If everyone is rich(powerful), no one is rich, and no one would do the work.'

Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by tayo42 on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:25PM (#28741439)
There are good reasons to go advocate for as few people in offices as possible though. Keeps people off roads, less traffic and pollution, those previous offices could be reused as homes that most cities desperately need.

I also don't see the point of an office when you only have a fraction of the people there.

Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by Kaze404 on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:31PM (#28741479)
Isn't it a better idea to work on public transportation and housing to actually fix those problems? Simply forcing everyone to work from home will probably alleviate traffic, but also introduce its own myriad of problems.
Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by tayo42 on Sunday October 03, 2021 @07:37PM (#28741516)
Public transportation seems to always bother someone. That's why we have nimby. It's the best solution when people have to go somewhere. If there is a solution that involves not even needing it in the first place, why wouldn't you advocate for that. Public transportation doesn't comes for free, there's still pollution involved and often runs at a loss
Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by Jensson on Sunday October 03, 2021 @08:33PM (#28741818)
I don't know any WFO advocate who thinks that everyone must work from an office. Managers saying their workers must work from an office doesn't do that from the perspective of an WFO advocate, but to make their workers more efficient as they think that office workers perform better. Similarly managers who forces all their workers to WFH (by not having an office) doesn't advocate for everyone to WFH, rather they think that it is more efficient to work from home so that is how they run their team, there is no grand social statement about this.
Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by pishpash on Sunday October 03, 2021 @11:16PM (#28742631)
What is the distinction between what you say and being an advocate? If they truly believed one way is more efficient, and managed accordingly, how are they not an advocate insofar as their team is concerned?
Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by Jensson on Monday October 04, 2021 @08:46AM (#28745957)
An advocate tries to convince people to do something without forcing something. CEO's doesn't try to convince everyone that working from office is great, they just say that if you don't come to office you are fired. A CEO advocating WFO would be if he was trying to convince other CEO's to also adopt WFO policies. But doing something yourself doesn't make you an advocate.
Re:Turmoil at Bezos' Blue Origin: Talent exodus after CEO pu... by pishpash on Monday October 04, 2021 @08:34PM (#28754162)
You're being obnoxiously literal with this. Words typically lead to action but action is the stronger proof. They don't need to be literally "advocating" anything if they're already showing it through action.