I must assume you are unfamiliar with the history of Typhoid Mary. Public health is everyone’s business.
Now contrast that approach with mandates and arresting store owners and closing businesses.
to claim otherwise is ludicrous.
Nonsense. From Arthur Ashe to Ryan White to Magic Johnson, there was continuous noise and encouragement around HIV prevention and research through the entire period. And narratives were manipulated then, too. Even into the early 90s, there was widespread public thought that HIV might be spread through saliva, even though the research was pretty clear it was spread almost exclusively via anal sex and intravenous drug use (and blood transfusions from an HIV+ donor).
Next, read about Quarantine Acts. Most nations have them.
This is what you mean, right? A real deadly disease being an actual public health concern, to the point that we should not only publicly shame people, but also bar them from employment?
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I also believe you mean ‘ensure’, not ‘insure’.
Tell that to the President Of The United States; Or the tens of thousands of NY health workers just fired.
Obviously your anecdotal story is tragic. No denying. But the ends don't justify the means.
Most of these health workers have been on the frontlines since the beginning before the vaccine. Many already aquired COVID and have some natural immunity.
I leave you with this:
How about the story of the girl who died because there weren't enough healthcare workers to treat her in time because they were all fired?
What would your imaginary girl do when all ICU beds are occupied by the unvaccinated?
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/never-ending-nigh...
You're talking about the unvaccinated masses of patients.
The NY mandate was for nurses who worked throughout the pandemic.
We could debate the merits of mandated vaccination for the general public but this mandate is putting a squeeze on healthcare workers which will likely contribute to a worker shortage that will not be without it's own collateral damage.
“The mandate has not only protected our employees, but kept more of them at work during the pandemic,” a hospital spokeswoman said in an email.
ChristianaCare, a hospital group based in Wilmington, Del., said on Monday that it had fired 150 employees for not complying with its vaccine mandate. But the group emphasized that over the last month it had hired more than 200 employees, many of whom are more comfortable working where they knew their colleagues were vaccinated.
From https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/health/us-hospital-worker...
This is great news for the hospitals bottom line!
Not such great news for the hopeful mothers planning or already carrying a child who wouldn't wish their unborn offspring as a medical experiment. These are real people with real concerns. Not crazies who think there is a microchip in the shot. Studies on long term fetal impact are impossible with the mandated timeline.
If a woman has a pro-choice right to abortion, then it seems a pro-choice right to a medical injection is in order. The two points are logically inconsistent with each other.
Sincerly,
~ A Covid Vaccinated Citizen
PS. See below [1] for reasons why someone might question a fast developed medication.
If you aren’t fine with someone walking around firing a gun randomly in the air because the bullets “might” land on someone then I don’t see how you can be fine with someone walking around during a pandemic with no sorts of proof that they aren’t spreading the disease at a high rate.
Both behaviors are a not guaranteed to cause harm, but the likelyhood has risen high enough to warrant preventative measures
Disclaimer: I support vaccination. I do not support authoritarian mandates in this case.
Since they have a radically lower incident of infection compared to the non vaccinated, the rate of transfer of Covid for the two groups is in no way equivalent.
Thanks for the opportunity to correct your misunderstanding.
Disclaimer: I do support people’s right’s to make decisions for themselves. I do not support people foisting their negative externalities on the rest of society under the guise that their actions have no side effects.
A "breakthrough infection" is still an infection, No? It seems that sophisticated semantics are being used in media to veil underlying weakness in the arguments and premises and move the goal post.
> That group has chose to not be protected.
The side effects of people choosing not to get vaccinated is that they will get sicker because they choose not to get vaccinated, Yes?
It is not my business if they self-risk getting sicker, or if they consume to much sugar, or don't exercise enough, or sky-dive.
Surely you can see how this narrative becomes a circular self contradictory "double bind" [1] that could go on forever. It's a very fascinating way to indirectly exert control [2].
[1] A double bind is a dilemma in communication in which an individual (or group) receives two or more reciprocally conflicting messages. In some scenarios (e.g. within families or romantic relationships) this can be emotionally distressing, creating a situation in which a successful response to one message results in a failed response to the other (and vice versa), such that the person responding will automatically be perceived as in the wrong, no matter how they response. This double bind prevents the person from either resolving the underlying dilemma or opting out of the situation. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind)
[2] Double binds are often utilized as a form of control without open coercion—the use of confusion makes them difficult both to respond to and to resist. ((https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind)
>A "breakthrough infection" is still an infection, No? It seems that sophisticated semantics are being used in media to veil underlying weakness in the arguments and premises and move the goal post.
What is the per capita rate of infection between the unvaccinated population and the vaccinated population? I feel like you may be unaware that the while the vaccinated and unvaccinated population spread Covid at the same rate when they are infected, you seem to not understand that the vaccinated population gets infected at a far lower rate than the unvaccinated population.
>The side effects of people choosing not to get vaccinated is that they will get sicker because they choose not to get vaccinated, Yes?
>It is not my business if they self-risk getting sicker, or if they consume to much sugar, or don't exercise enough, or sky-dive.
Ah, ok. Maybe we need to make sure we have a baseline understanding of reality.
Do you, or do you not believe in the concept of negative externalities? For example, if I walk into public and lay out a pile of radioactive waste do you believe that
A:This is not an acceptable action in society because it hurts others
B: It is acceptable because no one has been hurt yet and we cannot constrain someone's actions until they have damaged someone else in a provable manner
C:a third option I have not thought of, as I am open to new kinds of thinking.
But! If choosing to prevent one negative externality causes another negative externality, well you're proper fucked now! Hence the "double bind".
Now in regards to your proposed question. Radioactive waste is a totally different issue. So that's a hard A!
Now if the question is:
If an unvaccinated person walks into a public space filled with other vaccinated and unvaccinated people all of which made their own personal choice based on their personal circumstances.
C.) Well that's just life right? Freedom is inherently risky. Life for that matter.