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Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by handmodel on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:09AM (#28520466)
Anyone with more knowledge know how much of this is BS?

She has 60k followers on Instagram which (even if all real) isn't that much. Certainly not anywhere big enough to make 800k a year that the creator claims he plans on making.

They say they have 100 sponsorships but this seems like a marketing statement...influencers all the time talk about how popular they are and I don't see why we should trust the creator of AI influencer more.

I don't see any major brands on her Instagram though I'm not South Korean so maybe I'm missing something - but more likely explanation seems to be that he has partnered with a few companies for a pittance and is overhyping his creation to get more money in.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:51AM (#28520740)
It's all BS.

"Influencing" is a ponzy scheme. If you can convince people you are trending, you'll trend. If you can convince people you are influencing, you'll influence. Sadly, like all trends, the biggest players are all big fish trying to get in before it dies. This doesn't legitimise it though.

This is just an art project that is trending. They're real photos, with real girls and then the creator will place a flavour (ala thispersondoesnotexist.com) through the use of AI. It's akin to automating your photoshop meme pipeline, but way less creative.

It's marketing all the way down. Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, etc. are all just marketing spirals that occasionally spit out unique content that was made with real hard work. The rest is just cycling through other people's work with faux congrats and advertising for your own "channel".

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by echelon on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:28AM (#28521023)
You might not have noticed, but most people are into celebrities, musicians, actors, YouTubers, TikTokers, Instagrammers, etc. Famous people.

We evolved to compare ourselves to others in order to elevate the fitness of ourselves and our in-group. We look to peers. We take an interest in their gossip. We look at beautiful people, smart people, successful people. We're curious. We're also intrigued by scandalous and dangerous people. It's how we update our mental model of the world and contrast ourselves against it.

I'd be utterly shocked if you didn't, at some level, take an interest in the personal details of some person you don't know.

Virtual celebrities and influencers provide the same sort of dopamine hits that their real life counterparts do, except they can be 100% controlled by a corporation.

You don't even have to look at virtual influencers to know that people will eat them up: lots of people are already addicted to fictional characters. Movies, super heroes, even cartoons and anime. They find pieces of themselves in it. They start to care and take deep interest.

Virtual celebs are the future, and a cottage industry is already cropping up in support of it.

And just wait until people use AR/VR to optimize their own appearances and behaviors.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:52AM (#28521212)
I'm not trying to argue that being a celebrity is a Ponzi scheme. The virtual ladder being incentivized on current social media platforms is. It's a game, being a celebrity is the end result but mostly people are just in it to make money.

I definitely don't connect to any celebrity other than those I admire for their intelligence and/or skill. So I'm not normal.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:24AM (#28521432)
> It's a game, being a celebrity is the end result but mostly people are just in it to make money.

Being a celebrity is mostly a way to make money. And with influencers, the "career progression" that almost every upstart vlogger/instagrammer aspires to is pretty well-defined:

1) Provide some kind of entertainment content as a vector to push other people's crap

2) Over time, build up your user base and revenue base, until you become a well-known brand in a given market segment

3) Transition to pushing your own crap, e.g. a line of products with your name on it

Of course, selection is very strong there. Most would-be influencers spend years and fail at step 1. Few achieve step 3. And it can't really be any different, because attention economy is the ultimate zero-sum game: people have only so much hours in the day.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by csomar on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:10AM (#28521726)
> "Influencing" is a ponzy scheme.

It's not. Influencers ask prices that are relative to how much money they'll make to a particular brand/store. That's why local influencers is a thing. And I was, too, surprised at how much sales they can drive for a simple store.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by lagadu on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:49AM (#28521990)
And what's wrong with marketing? Why is it bullshit? Marketing/influencing costs money, drives sales and drives adoption, all of which are very real and have a real impact in the society they're a part of.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @08:25AM (#28523655)
Marketing is selling a product.

Bullshit is selling a lie.

Both are very inefficient and lazy ways to generate interest.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by notanzaiiswear on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:04AM (#28520853)
I think you use a different definition of bullshit than the discussion here.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:49AM (#28521187)
I'll never know. My definition of bullshit follows every definition of the people I've ever discussed with though. That is: Something that does not actually have substance, but may be propped up to be perceived as so.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by mmahemoff on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:14AM (#28521353)
OP wasn't making any value judgement like this. They were simply questioning if there is actually a story here.

The media tends to notice little phenomena like this and paint them as if it's a cultural megatrend.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by howaboutnope on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:18AM (#28521393)
Even then, the misunderstanding is in reading the question "is this story BS?" as "is influencing BS?", not in the definition of bullshit.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:34AM (#28521495)
Using different criteria is more or less a different definition of being BS.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:26AM (#28521444)
I don't see a way to confirm the story if you do not investigate the likelihood of the value it is "presenting" though.

I'm still confused by these two comments. I don't think we can verifiably claim any personal story on any media outlet is BS or not.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:37AM (#28521518)
You're talking about whether this kind of account is a scam.

They're wondering whether this specific account is making money.

Those are very different questions. An account can be both, neither, or one or the other.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @08:22AM (#28523612)
No. I'm talking about whether it's bullshit. Scam is not the same as bullshit.

I guess Americans use the word bullshit differently to the rest of the English speaking world? Or something else?

If one were to speak bullshit, they'd be doing exactly what I just wrote. No money is involved.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:26PM (#28530598)
> No. I'm talking about whether it's bullshit. Scam is not the same as bullshit.

You called it a ponzi scheme!

Either way, please listen to the distinction I'm making.

You're talking about ways the industry is bad.

They're asking if the article is flat-out wrong about this single account being successful inside that industry.

Those are two separate ideas to call bullshit on. A bullshit industry can have bullshit success stories, but it can also have true success stories.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:42PM (#28533094)
>You called it a ponzi scheme!

Yes. And then people had a problem with the word bullshit, for some reason.

It can be both bullshit and a ponzi scheme. That doesn't make bullshit necessarily a scam.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by notanzaiiswear on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:35AM (#28524565)
What do you mean by bullshit? People who like it and follow the fake personae on social media are wasting their time? Or what exactly? Are all invented things bullshit, so also books, music, movies, paintings...? Maybe posting this artificial person on social media is just another way to tell a story?
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:44PM (#28533109)
If I photoshop the moon into a picture and post it to a photography forum, most people will pick it up as a bullshit photo.

If I post the same thing to Instagram, most people will applaud me for being such a great photographer.

Everyone is wasting their time. Lots of people like bullshit.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by FabHK on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:15AM (#28522550)
According to Harry Frankfurt, author of On Bullshit, it's when someone makes statements without any regard to their truth.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by notanzaiiswear on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:56AM (#28522813)
But how do you define substance? It seems to me if they make money, they have substance, whether what they do is useful in the greater scheme of things or not.

I must admit I don't quite understand your attitude. I personally for example have no interest in "the Kardashians" and would consider their story "bullshit" in a way. On the other hand, they clearly made a shitload of money. So maybe it would be better to analyse what is going on and why it works.

Another example that I personally consider mostly BS is professional sports. But clearly billions of people are into it and a lot of money is being made. Rather than calling it BS, perhaps it is more interesting to think about what might be going on, and what human need seems to be fulfilled by these things.

I was also reminded of "Hello Kitty" which seems to have been going strong for decades. Maybe, among other things, people just buy into this phantasy of a happy world were everything is fine. I personally bought some Hello Kitty mugs for fun a while ago because using them gave me a little jolt of happiness. Even though it is "commercial BS".

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @08:20AM (#28523592)
Substance is much more than money (to me). Why use the word if we all use it differently indeed...
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by stjohnswarts on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:26AM (#28521012)
Eh it's not a Ponzi scheme as far as influencers go. They are the new TV/movie celebrities and share fame with those groups. Plenty have been around for years now, sure there are rises and falls and fans are more fickle than in the past. Unless instagram and twitter and tiktok die soon they're going to be around a while, even though boomers and gen-x often greatly dislike them; those aren't the audiences they are trying to appeal to.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:42AM (#28521149)
When you try to start your own channel on YouTube, or get viral in any form, you realise just how true of a ponzy scheme it is. Even original, well created work is hidden until someone grabs it and runs with it.

Easiest way for that to happen? Spam. Lots of spam. Instagram audiences aren't fickle, or at least they're not deterred by playing the game. They are extremely easy to offend though, and follow very serious moral trains. i.e. the head of the dragon changes directions fast but the body keeps in toe regardless of how they feel.

Just click on any of the top trending videos on Reddit or YouTube, you'll see a bunch of familiar faces saying the following. The more niche the topic, the more niche the channel spammers.

"Hey this video was great! Good job! -- seoulmetro walking tours".

I'm young so all these social outlets are what are left for me. But they're just way too tiring so I usually ignore the feeds.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by sanxiyn on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:22AM (#28520555)
South Korean here. Shinhan Life ran a TV commercial of Rozy. It's not BS.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by esjeon on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:30AM (#28522240)
She does make money, but that's not the only part of the equation.

Rather, people are becoming more and more annoyed by the repeating news articles trying to hype this thing. Also, young people around me gives absolute-zero-f** about this thing.

I should put it this way: boomers don't realize that influencer marketing is the most boomer thing to do these days.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by ihatethissite on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:02PM (#28527637)
I don't agree with you. I have seen it first hand. Girls find makeup artists they like on youtube that do looks they like and then they follow their recommendations. There are so many options out there. How do you choose? Follow the advice of an influencer. It repeats across the entire market, across all demographics. Building a relationship and then leveraging it. Doing (buying, in this case) something based on the recommendation of another person is basic human behavior. I don't think you should write it off as a boomer thing so easily.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by esjeon on Saturday September 18, 2021 @02:25AM (#28574164)
> There are so many options out there. How do you choose? Follow the advice of an influencer.

That's the boomer perspective that I wanted to point out. Where's the internet in this flow? Where's the community? Where's google? I know the above statement is simplified, but what matter is the linking logic, which can be radically different b/w generations.

One thing boomers don't recognize is that, unlike the celebrities from the last generation, influencers are contributors, not rulers or leaders. They make practical contributions to their communities, and, in return, they earn trust, which then can be utilized for monetization. It's not like someone great bam comes in and become a star (which is the exact strategy of this artificial influencer. So boomer, eh?)

Also it's worth noting that the internet community is that it offers more information and raw data than the sum of influencers can ever offer. Follow the recommendation of an influencer? Pf, it's just mere a drop in the vast ocean. A proper digital-literate - and MZs are the first digital native generation - will search other sources, cross check the information, and, naturally, expand it even further. As more effort goes in to these steps, the significance of influencers drops rapidly.

So, I want to say that the influencer marketing can't be a key strategy these days. Rather, it's just an element in the usual advertisement campaign. The most critical part is the community engagement.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:53AM (#28520754)
If you were South Korean, you'd realise how much the marketing sphere of Korea is influenced by passing fads and memes. There's never a single thing that hasn't been picked up by at least one larger person to try run their luck at a new trend.

TV commercial does not make it not BS. There are lots of things in Korea that are utter BS but get a lot of attention, and people are generally fearful of missing out.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by sanxiyn on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:56AM (#28520782)
WTF if you were South Korean? I was born in South Korea and lived here for 35 years.

I am saying creators are probably not lying when they project $800k yearly revenue. Yes, you can earn $800k in South Korea entirely by fads, but that was not the question.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:01AM (#28520821)
Yes. You're the one bringing up the fact that you're South Korean for some reason. I'm rebutting your comment with more information that actually suits Korea.

I know what you're saying, I'm not sure what being Korean has to do with that. And no, no one said you could not earn money in Korea through fads. What does that have to do with what I wrote?

I'm saying they are most definitely capable of lying, especially in cases where lying grants you a huge boost to future results.

Are you replying to the right comment here?

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by alias_neo on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:38AM (#28521924)
> bringing up the fact that you're South Korean for some reason

It's completely normal to qualify one's perspective, and often beneficial. in fact for people to know whether your comment is an opinion, or based on some actual experience, knowledge, skill, etc, it adds value to the discussion.

In the context of South Korean culture, it's absolutely useful to know the commenter is South Korean.

If we're talking about tea, crumpets, or the rain, I might point out that I'm British.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @08:19AM (#28523580)
If you were British, you would know where York is.

It's not saying you don't know. It's saying that, this should be part of your knowledge based on you being British.

I don't see how that's offensive.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by detaro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @08:23AM (#28523636)
Because as others have already explained, that's not what that phrasing suggests. "If you were/you would" suggests that it's a purely theoretical perspective and thus strongly implies "you aren't".

"If you were British..." and "If you are British..." have very different subtext.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:37PM (#28533038)
No they don't. No it doesn't.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by alias_neo on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:16PM (#28532222)
Nuance of the English language, but, "If you were British, you would know where York is", suggests I'm not British, and implies I don't know where York is.

That specific form of the sentence has negative connotations and might be considered divisive in (British) English.

It's essentially a challenge to my honesty, and had you said "if you are" rather than "if you were" it'd be a more amiable challenge, implying I should respond with proof that I know where York is, and not suggest I'm being dishonest.

As I said, it's divisive, but to some may be considered offensive too.

Just one word makes all of the difference.

If you want to suggest I would know where York is by virtue of being British, you might say;

"You will know where York is, because you're British" or "You must know where York is, you're British".

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:38PM (#28533055)
No. It does not suggest that. I use British English and that's not at all what it means. Maybe to those that don't know how to use it correctly and are seeking emotional connotations.

The statement is at most doubting whether you are British, but not dismissing or claiming the opposite.

>but to some may be considered offensive too.

It's offensive that someone might claim to be from somewhere and not understand a very common piece of knowledge from that place. Or at least I might want to claim it to be.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by sanxiyn on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:03AM (#28520844)
handmodel mentioned "I'm not South Korean", that's why I mentioned it. That's all.
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:35AM (#28521091)
Yes. You mentioned that you were South Korean, so I mentioned it. That's all. So I don't quite understand what warrants a WTF.

I backed up why I disagree that a single spark determines whether it's not BS. I assumed, being in Korea for so long, it'd be a given first thing to bring up when someone asks if hype is actually genuine. So I brought it up. Every fad with even the slightest traction will be overvalued more in Korea, and it will also fall out of favour much faster too. The cycle is very much filled with BS that hasn't started to stink yet.

You should see the investment funded startup scene in Korea. It's very close to throwing anything at the wall and waiting for the one that sticks. Which is a shame given how technologically empowered Koreans are.

I'm still unsure why it made anyone upset. But then again, this is the internet.

p.s: Post is rate limited now, so there was a delay in this reply.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by robocat on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:29AM (#28521464)
FYI perhaps your misunderstanding of the WTF is because you didn't realise what you said in English?

"If you were South Korean" is exactly saying "You are not South Korean", which sanxiyn rightly took offense to.

As a native English speaker from the colonies, I have zero idea whether "If you were" in this usage is the subjunctive, or if it is a conditional clause, or something else. Maybe I need to take an ESOL course to learn English grammar.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by seoulmetro on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @08:17AM (#28523559)
No. It is exactly what it is written as. "If you were at the beach, you would have seen the shark." It's not saying you were there or not, it's saying that you probably should maintain knowledge of the following clause. I suppose it could also mean you were not there. But not always.

I can see why they'd get upset if I was assuming they're not Korean. But that's not what I said or meant.

It would be considered directly saying that if I were to say "You can't be Korean because ____" or "You would be Korean if you ______".

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by mkl on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:56AM (#28524862)
It may not be what you meant, but it is what you inadvertently said.

I think you might be thinking of a similar construct which doesn't imply it's false: "If you're Korean, you realise ...". The "you" here is non-specific, and the phrase doesn't say you're Korean or not Korean. The present tense and lack of speculative "would" are what make the difference.

"If you were at the beach, you would have seen the shark." is saying you were not at the beach, and implying you didn't see the shark.

"If you were tall, you would have been able to see it" is saying you are not tall, and implying you couldn't see it.

The "if", "were", and "would" make the phrase a hypothetical counterfactual, imagining that the statement is true and supplying a consequence, and this means that the statement is actually false (i.e. you were not at the beach). This meaning holds when speaking about a specific "you", like the person you're replying to. I'm sure there's a name for this grammatical construct, but I don't know it.

The sentence may be incorrect, in which case the person you're speaking to could correct it with "I was at the beach, but I didn't see it", "I saw it by climbing on a rock", or "WTF I am Korean". It's possible the speaker may suspect their sentence is incorrect and be using it to ask a question indirectly, inviting correction.

A more general meaning is possible when you're not talking about a specific person, but using the conditional to imagine a group of people or something, e.g. "If you were employed, you could afford it, and if you were on a benefit you could afford it, so most people can afford it." I think this usage is uncommon though, as there are much clearer ways to phrase that sort of thing. It's definitely not the usage you wrote.

Source: Native English speaker, but not trained grammarian. Also wrote way too much because it's late at night and I can't be succinct.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by ravel-bar-foo on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:01AM (#28520822)
Shinhan (mentioned in the article) is a pretty big financial conglomerate. Twosome Place (in the second picture) is a well-known luxury coffee chain.

Financial chains in South Korea do not usually do influencer marketing. I would guess that the companies are buying not because of the influencer's reach, but because of the novelty of AI and the quality of the art. Presumably their goal is using the character and derived artwork in more traditional advertisements.

Edit: sanxyin confims that Shinhan used the character in a TV ad. I don't watch TV, so I guess I missed it.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by kjaftaedi on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:17AM (#28538689)
"I looked around western social media and don't understand why I don't see what is popular in asia"
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by tiborsaas on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:12AM (#28521738)
60k followers isn't low either especially if it's organic. I have 976 posts and 343 followers :)
Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by handmodel on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:57PM (#28527558)
I suppose my point, knowing a few people with online followings, is that 60k followers does not translate to 800,000 marketing dollars as the article claims - or even 80k. Even if your had a really profitable niche (which she doesn't).

That being said I see the AI was in TV ads (is this influencer based? or just actor?) so 800k is possible.

Re:Social media influencer/model created from AI lands 100 s... by dncornholio on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:36AM (#28521511)
I think I don't even believe she's AI generated.