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Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by DevKoala on Monday September 06, 2021 @06:15PM (#28438697)
What the customer wants is not often what they need, listening to your customers without understanding what they need can be the killer of innovation.

Henry Ford has a famous quote:

> If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses

I don’t think anybody needed a mouse that needs to be flipped to be charged. However, among the dozen things Apple got terribly wrong, there are also a handful ones that they got so right, that became fundamental pillars of technology.

Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by johnny_b_g on Monday September 06, 2021 @07:00PM (#28439057)
>Henry Ford has a famous quote: >> If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses

False: https://checkyourfact.com/2019/10/10/fact-check-henry-ford-q... and https://medium.com/@adrianh/faster-horses-50ff8bb1bb62

Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by DevKoala on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:59AM (#28442556)
Well, I’ll be damned. Apparently the famous product designer I borrowed the “fact” from also mentioned the quote was “dubiously” attributed to Henry Ford.

I believe my point still stands, but yes it was incorrect of me to use the quote as if Henry Ford said it.

Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by sebastien_b on Monday September 06, 2021 @06:21PM (#28438754)
Hubris and arrogance (and “courage”) can only get you so far:

- iPod Hifi (which Jobs claimed would completely replace his audio gear )

- the butterfly keyboard

- the touchbar

- the original (uber pricey) Homepod

- the trash can (also pricey) Mac Pro

- and I’m pretty sure in a few years’ time we’ll all be looking back at how stupid the “notch” was

Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by danielmarkbruce on Monday September 06, 2021 @06:26PM (#28438803)
They are the most valuable company on the planet with a $2.5 trillion market cap. Surely it's fair to say they've gone far?
Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by sebastien_b on Monday September 06, 2021 @06:29PM (#28438834)
And that they’ve had a number of flops (not just ‘one’) along the way.
Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by johnny_b_g on Monday September 06, 2021 @06:52PM (#28439009)
All this means is that they're adept at parting fools from their money with "feel-good" marketing and such, to benefit their shareholders (those are their "real customers", not the consumers of their stuff), and to benefit themselves - huge bonuses etc., and have you seen their campus? That kind of opulence is on the same level as Trump's gold toilets.
Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by lostlogin on Monday September 06, 2021 @11:52PM (#28440748)
> All this means is that they're adept at parting fools from their money with "feel-good" marketing and such

It’s hard to square comments like this with things like the M1 - what should the fools be buying instead?

Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by Spooky23 on Monday September 06, 2021 @07:14PM (#28439145)
I agree that the HQ is a navel gazing exercise of the highest order.

But their ability to sell a full line of computing devices with so few SKUs is pretty amazing. Dell sells like 30 different laptops. Apple sells 3.

Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by johnny_b_g on Monday September 06, 2021 @08:59PM (#28439723)
> Dell sells like 30 different laptops. Apple sells 3.

So Dell offers 30 different choices in price/feature ranges, from lowest to highest. Apple only offers at most 3 - likely all in the more expensive range.

Kinda fits and confirms the "telling you want you want" mentioned above.

Re:Ask HN: When is Apple's EV going to be released? by Spooky23 on Monday September 06, 2021 @10:06PM (#28440069)
Apple historically has been a tiny player in terms of share. They are able to punch over their weight and be profitable making hardware. The original iMac, at the company’s nadir, was the #1 computer model, which gave them supply chain advantages in the market.

The other thing is that while Dell is stuck with Windows, Apple owns a few platforms. They sell cheap iPads as their entry product.

You may not like the strategy or the particulars of it at a given time (ie shipping a defective keyboard for years for inscrutable reasons), but they have a differentiated strategy because that’s what makes sense to them. They are not a commodity. Dell, HP, Lenovo can’t do that because they are merely a channel for delivering Windows - just like Exxon or BP are middlemen brokering gasoline, the only way to make more money is to ship more stuff.