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Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by BeetleB on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @10:59AM (#28302474)
Reader mode really helps me in printing as well. Old comment of mine:

Printing is something I started to do some months ago. Instead of keeping the tab open for weeks, I decided I'd print anything I want to read and place it a physical "inbox".

Some tips: I print 2 pages to a side, so 4 pages per printer paper. Even long articles don't use too much paper, and for my eyes it's still readable (there are a few articles where I need to enlarge first). I print using either Firefox's "Simplify Page" feature or its "Readability" feature. This removes almost all the noise: No ads, no menus, etc. It's just the article and relevant images. Similar to reading a physical newspaper.

It's been a game changer. I can now read wherever I want. Going to the mechanic? I just take some of these printed articles with me. I find myself taking notes on the paper - something I would not do well on the computer screen. My eyes get a lot less strain. Once you get used to this, there's no going back. Now when I see an article through a web browser, it's just ugly. Too many distractions. Even the menus are annoying. I didn't realize I'd been putting up with filth for so long.

I initially worried that my inbox would get full and I'd have the same mental angst, and my plan was that if it happens, I'll take a random bunch and throw it in the recycle bin. But it never came to that - I still manage to read everything I print. Somehow, the physical inbox weighs less on my mind than the virtual one. I don't feel I need to deal with this inbox. It's OK if it just sits there collecting dust.

Bad for the environment. Good for the brain.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by dang on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:18PM (#28304183)
Please don't copy-paste comments on HN (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27921786). It lowers signal-noise ratio and isn't really how curious conversation works.

If you want to refer to another post, that's fine of course, but in that case use a link and perhaps add some new info if any is relevant.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by BeetleB on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:21PM (#28304215)
Hi dang,

Is this a new rule? I often find people copy/pasting older comments of theirs that is relevant to the current conversation.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by pvg on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @02:33PM (#28305186)
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by rafael_c on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:11PM (#28303451)
You can do similar on the Kindle or any other ereader. There's a chrome extension called 'send2kindle' that sends a simplified version of the webpage you have open directly to your device.

I'll just open tabs on the browser of whichever articles or texts will consist of my morning reading diet that day and send them all to my Kindle. Very practical device to read and no more falling in a trap of continuous clicking on more and more links, while lending a crappy level of attention to the actual reading.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by ameminator on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:08AM (#28302587)
I'll be honest, this is my favourite feature of my Kobo - using Pocket to save webpages and articles and read them offline. It seems to accomplish a similar goal to what you do here - without the need for all that paper.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by Otek on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:31AM (#28302921)
I doubt he will print as much, so your e-reader will have less environmental impact. All that plastic and components are certainly the equivalent of several, if not hundreds of reams of paper.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by rpadovani on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:55AM (#28303250)
I don't think he bought the Kobo only for reading webpages tho, so you cannot really do a direct comparison like this.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by dredmorbius on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @02:56PM (#28305473)
Cost is a very rough indicator of footprint.

A modest e-book reader runs about $200. That's the cost of about 3 cases of 20# letter-sized paper (10 reams/case), or 15,000 sheets of paper.

At ~300 pages/book, that's about 50 books cost equivalent.

Note that printing output tends to run higher, at $0.01 -- $0.25 per page (higher for colour inkjet and laserjet).

Depending on ones reading patterns, the cost (and environmental impacts) of an ebook reader could well come out ahead. It's also generally easier to carry such a device than the equivalent number of printed books or documents.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by Thrymr on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:02PM (#28306960)
And the marginal cost of adding articles to a device if you are already using it to read books is very low.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by dredmorbius on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:12PM (#28307071)
Correct, up to storage limits.

That's not a minor consideration from me as I can easily fill 64--128 GB of total storage (about 30GB seem to be system + apps).

That's not all books --- I keep a fairly large number of podcast episodes downloaded. But at about 5 MB/book, even an apparently generous storage quickly shows limits.

I passed on the ReMarkable as its 16 GB storage (about 8GB available) only permits 1,600 books at 5 MB/book.

(And that's without podcasts or audio.)

The BOOX has a 64 GB onboard storage, maximum. I've got that near capacity in about 6 months, though a large share of that is podcasts. My preference would be 256 GB. Plus far better content-management capabilities on the device itself. I think I could live within that.

Retail cost is $20, falling by about half every 2 years. The minimising of eBook storage makes absolutely no economic sense.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by BeetleB on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:48PM (#28303845)
I have a Kobo and I used to do this. And while I enjoyed ereaders for many years, paper is still king. The Kobo's resolution is still not good enough, and being able to flip pages is still more convenient.

The nice thing about the Kobo is you can install your own software, so there's still hope for a better interface.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by 5faulker on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:59AM (#28303287)
It's a nice compromise.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by saurik on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:37AM (#28303005)
> I can now read wherever I want. Going to the mechanic? I just take some of these printed articles with me.

To be fair, I can (and do) do the same thing with my phone.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by BeetleB on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:49PM (#28303858)
Off topic w.r.t Reader mode, but reading on paper is much better than on the phone. Actually, anything is better than the phone. My hierarchy is:

Paper > ereader > monitor > phone

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by pkulak on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:01PM (#28303313)
> Bad for the environment.

Psst. Paper is a renewable resource and easy to recycle at least a couple times.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by yodsanklai on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:07PM (#28303395)
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by somedude895 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:29PM (#28303648)
> Each ton of recycled paper can avoid the use of 17 trees; 1,440 liters of oil; 2.3 cubic meters of landfill space; 4,000 kilowatts of energy and 26,500 liters of water.

> Paper is quite simple to recycle, yet 55 percent of the global paper supply comes from newly cut trees.

You can buy recycling paper too, it's not pretty but at least you know it's made from recycled materials.

Also, that page says we'll run out of fresh water in 18 years and the source is literally a single quote from one person. Seems a bit sketchy.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by marvindanig on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:27PM (#28303623)
That's a spurious claim! Pulp harvesting often destroys the native flora and fauna, and the cost of lost forests and animal habitat cannot be recovered.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by ratioprosperous on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:06AM (#28302559)
Doing exactly this with a large format e-ink tablet has been revolutionary for me
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by eagleislandsong on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:27AM (#28302845)
Which e-ink tablet would you recommend?
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by ratioprosperous on Thursday August 26, 2021 @12:00AM (#28310524)
Remarkable 2 is the only one I have experience with, and I recommend it highly if you are comfortable exploring the community APIs and tools. It uses a proprietary cloud platform by default, which may not appeal to folks, but you can use ssh over usb to avoid their cloud entirely. I use a script based on https://github.com/subutux/rmapy to send the tablet pdf files with one command. The reading experience is excellent and the writing surface/pen are great for marking up documents as well. It's a magnificent paper notebook replacement that you can fairly easily put pdfs on. If you need on-tablet web browsing, other apps, or state of the art epub reading, I'd look elsewhere. For getting reading material off a backlit screen as though it were an endless stack of paper with arbitrary content, it's phenomenal.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by dredmorbius on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:12PM (#28305632)
I'm pretty happy with the Onyx BOOX.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27521248

Turns out I was wrong about security. Password recovery requires a separate cloud-based account. Setting a password does not.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by abyssin on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:13PM (#28304133)
ReMarkable isn’t perfect but I use it to read web articles. The issue I haven’t solved with my ReMarkable is finding an alternative to the default synchronization system. I’d love to use Plato for reading on the ReMarkable, but then I’d lose the synchronization.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by mariusor on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:33AM (#28302945)
Kobo devices have out of the box integration with Pocket, which Mozilla supports natively.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by marvindanig on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:30PM (#28303652)
Proprietary tablet vs. a browser feature on the open web–which option would you take?
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by BeetleB on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:50PM (#28303874)
Kobo lets you install your own SW. There are open source reader SW for the Kobo, and they're better than Kobo's own reader.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by dredmorbius on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:14PM (#28305661)
What reader(s) do you like / recommend?

I've used FBReader, PocketBook (who sell their own ebook readers as well apparently), the NeoReader (default Onyx software), and have some familiarity with Kindle.

PocketBook enables some (but insufficient) metadata editing. The NeoReader has an excellent UI/UX generally on BOOX devices, but has no management capability.

I tend to have a large number of documents on my devices (1,000s). Management is critical.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by mariusor on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:36PM (#28304383)
I'm not sure what exactly you're arguing against.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by ouid on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:19PM (#28304196)
Paper isn't really that bad for the environment, right? That was an ad campaign to sell plastic or something. Paper trees are grown as crops and basically just fix carbon. The pulping has some local undesirable effects, but I don't think they have anywhere near the lasting impact of other human waste.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by vilified on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:18AM (#28302731)
> Bad for the environment. Good for the brain.

That's just bad for the environment two times lol

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by fnord77 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:40AM (#28303049)
underrated comment
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by mesh on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:56PM (#28303931)
When I was in graduate school way back in the 90s, I had an old dot matrix printer that I would use to print out the daily RFE / RI (Radio Free Europe) email news reports from Eastern Europe.

Its a huge waste of resources over time, but I find its much easy to focus and take in the information sitting at a table and reading over printed word.

I wonder if e-ink / paper devices might be able to replicate this now.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by jrgaston on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:06PM (#28304033)
I like reader mode but lately I'll send an article to pocket (which cleans it up a lot) then I print it to a pdf which is saved in a folder in Dropbox and which is synched with my Kobo Elipsa, and with the Elipsa I can mark the articles up with its stylus. (Writing this out makes it sound a bit complicated which I guess it is.)
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by S0und on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:57PM (#28303943)
I straight up stopped reading. Just listen. I'm using NaturalReader extension, which has a good voice in the free tier. Even tho I use Firefox everywhere i just open an Edge, copy-paste a link and just listen to the article.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by fnord77 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:40AM (#28303042)
I'm the exact opposite - I love having books and articles on devices. Physical clutter is a problem for me so this is liberating.

reading on my iphone or kindle doesn't seem to strain my eyes.

Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by marvindanig on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:30PM (#28303661)
I read all my books on the iPad. No hassle at all.
Re:The most underused browser feature: reader mode by jrochkind1 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:51PM (#28303885)
This is really interesting, I might try it. I miss the printed newspaper/magazine reading I used to do (although I still do some).